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for about one hundred dollars a piece. We procure ours
Cents. Mills. from the shores of the Chesapeake and its tributaries, and Swedish West Indies,
5 5 from the gentleman's own Savannah, at four, five, and six * Danish West Indies,
3 3 hundred dollars. Their ploughmen or their hoemen want Dutch West Indies,
0 no purchased clothing; like our primitive parents, a fig British West Indies,
leaf is the ordinary costume they prefer. Ours are clad British American colonies,
at great aggregate expense from the product of your maFrench American colonies,
4 2 nufactories. For their people they have little or no food Hlayti,
to buy; they require none; they are sustained by “the Cuba,
3 gushing fruits which nature gives untilled.” A patch of Other Spanish West Indies,
plantains and bananas, once formed, supports the man forCoast of Brazil,
6 ever and a day. Ours are nourished by the costly aliments; Colombia,
the corn, the fish, the pork, which you supply. All other places,
3 And yet, with all these advantages on their side, it is a
notorious fact that all the colonies have, of late years Having thus gained some insight into the average prices been in the most deplorable condition; and it has been an in the countries of our vicinity, let us see what news, if engrossing object with the parent countries to try and any, can be obtained from New Orleans.
I read from devise expedients to uphold and save them from utter “ Bright's New Orleans Prices Current and Commercial bankruptcy; while we, with all our opposing obstacles, Intelligencer,” a paper
of undoubted authority, of the 5th contributing, as we have to do, annual millions to the rest February, 1831, head Sugar: “The demand has abated very much, and we quote at but have descended to compete, and do compete, with
of you, have not only brought them down in their prices, five cents, dull. None but that of very good quality will them, on the level of their own platform. And yet there command that price; to obtain more, the article must be
are gentlemen who still pretend to believe, for I cannot superior in every respect, and at such distance from the give credit for any thing but pretence, that we are ancily as will suit convenience."
nually coining cent per cent. on the capital we employ! I will also beg leave to read an extract of a letter dated
But, Mr. Speaker, there is one proposition, of the truth January 26, from an eminent commission merchant in New of which I feel a deeper sense of conviction than of any Orleans, a gentleman well known to many in this House other proposition connected with the subject. It is this, The letter was not addressed to me, nor written with any that all our inquiries, touching the relative price at home reference to such a use, and I owe it to the politeness of and abroad, can serve no other end than to gratify a mere his correspondent that I am permitted to read it. He
idle, speculative curiosity; that, if they properly undersays, “Sugar is down to 4 a 54 cents.”
stood the subject, the people of the United States, and We thus find that the average price is, in reality, be especially those of Georgia and Virginia, would scout all tween four and five cents; and that, after all this uproar, such attempts to delude them by phantoms and bugbears, this prodigious outcry about three cents in the pound, and would perceive that their only motive of interest in wrenched from the consumer, as a gratuity to the producer, looking to the price of sugar at New Orleans should be these three millions of taxes, as a bounty to intrate the to watch over it, and keep it up to a standard of fair profit pockets of a few planters in Louisiana–in point of fact, the there; that the fifty millions employed in the culture are bounty proceeds from the planter, and is enjoyed by the fifty millions at work for their emolument-with this disconsumer; that it is we who are taxed and oppressed; crimination from ordinary investments, that you have that we have taxed ourselves--inveigled into it by your neither the risk of the capital nor the trouble of the adpolicy-have taxed our time, our industry, our vigils, our ministration. This would fetch me to that part of the capital, to such an extent, that we now supply the crav. subject which relates to the great question of the market; ings of your appetite for less than you can buy the luxury a question of more intrinsic importance than all the rest for on the plantations of the West Indies. "That we ac
combined. tually do, in a general way, undersell the Swedish and British islands, as well as Cuba, and that we get a trifle of the demand which the sugar making creates for the
Sir, if I were to attempt an exposition of the enormity more than half the price it commands at Hayti.
productions of all the people in this Union, from those Now, by what possible means, by what magic spell, we who dwell on our extreme Eastern seaboard, with their have ever been able to accomplish so much, is, one would oil and their fish, down to those who live on our immethink, a question which, when the physical and aclventi- diate confines, with another species of bipedal property, tious circumstances of the two countries are considered, it would require more time than I have consumed in all would puzzle even the facile imagination of the honorable the other topics put together. mover himself. The enigma of the sphynx would seem
But, sir, my momerts are counted: I see the goal beto be a commonplace child's riddle in the comparison. yond which I cannot be allowed to proceed; and I must, There is but one solution to it, and that is, the all-sur, therefore, with a view to obtain, not a full description of mounting energies of American enterprise when induced the subject, but a mere vista leading into the interminable to exert itself in any given direction.
field, again invite the attention of gentlemen to the docuSir, what are the relative, natural, and accidental cir- ments on the table; wberein they will perceive that it cumstances of that archipelago and of Louisiana? Why, creates an annual inland tracle of from four to seven milon those genial isles, those occan gems, the fostering lions, and that the balance is against us; that the sugar sun beams vertically from January to January. There planters of Louisiana have been actually buying from the the plant has the whole twelve months, with twelve more rest of the people of the United States, for millions beto that if necessary, to mature and concoct its juices. yond the whole amount of their revenues.
It is a fact, With us it has but six short months to grow--from the not more curious than true; and I only lament that time last frosts of spring to the first blasts which chill the au- cannot be allowed to offer some explanation of the seem. tumn. They have the livelong year to grind and manu. ing anomaly, by giving an account of the sums diverted facture in; we can claim but the hurried period of two or from other employments, and raised by forced loans, three months, which is liable to be abridged. They get which they have been pouring over your respective lands, their laborers from the banks of the Niger, or the Zaire, creating brisk demands and high prices for every thing
la Lluis is the interior Mascovado, which is quite a different article, you have had to sell. The unvarnished tale might, posau dues not come in competition with the ordinary brown sugar.
sibly, vibrate the chord of self-interest in the busoms of
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all, and more especially of those from whom this strange, Whole, and be there discussed, and a free interchange of unaccountable move proceeds: yet I must needs, how- opinion take place? He had too much respect for the ever loth, pass the subject by.
chairman of the Library committee, who had reported There was another gentleman, who spoke on this reso- this bill, to even presume he would hold back any inforlution, to whose argument I am bound, from comity, to mation which might be useful in relation to the probable bestow some notice a gentleman from Virginia, (Mr. expense to be incurred. It, however, had not been ALEXANDER.] Very little fell from him to require any given, and the House, almost at the close of the session, answer on my part. He admits that the success of this were called upon to adopt a measure which, if carried project would materially impair the value of the property into effect, would incur an expense of between fifty and of his constituents. That is just what I say; and, there. sixty thousand dollars and for what, sir? Why to refore, in that respect, there is nothing at issue between us. print a parcel of old documents, now in the archives of But he says that, with a full knowledge of the injury it the House, where any gentleman can command them if he would be to his people, he is induced to alvocate the wishes. Sir, continued Mr. S., you have passed pension measure, because it depends on a principle.
bills this session, you have pensioned the poor soldier, On a principle? Why, how does that alter the case? and the rich soldier, but you are now about to pass a penDo not we all proceed on a principle?--as well those who sion law more obnoxious than any heretofore passed. vote for the maintenance of duties as those who go for You are about pensioning two printers in this city, whom their abolition? The opposite points of the needle, which you have heretofore discarded from your confidence. feel for the opposing poles of the earth, act each on its Yes, sir, you now propose to give them a job equal to the principle-a great physical principle, impressed by the printing for Congress ten years. These printers, Messrs. inscrutable hand of Creation. So, also, in the moral Gales and Seaton, who, two years ago, were discarded from world, the most diverging points of conduct all claim to the confidence of the House on account of their political have a principle to which they tend. Every thing is a principles, are now to be taken in preference to all others, principle.
and given this job as an annuity or pension; and for what, But, sir, there are two principles in the world. There sir? Could any gentleman tell what this pension is for is the principle beneficent, and the principle maleficent. Is it because they have and are daily vomiting forth polThe Hindoos also had their Brama and their Vichenou-lution or abuse of Andrew Jackson and his administration? one the good principle, the creating and preserving prin- He asked gentlemen if these printers were not using erery ciple; the other the evil principle, the destroying princi- means in their power, just and unjust, to bring this admiple. And, sir, each had its votaries, equally ready to nistration into contempt. He could only express his rehazard all and every thing in its vindication. I had hoped gret to some of the friends of the administration, in the the days of such enthusiasm had gone by.
ranks of the opposition, lending their sanction to a meaIt is a principle with the gentleman to construe the sure which would effectually give it a stab. Why, sir, is powers of this Government differently from all the past it that Gales and Seaton are selected in preference to all politicians of his own State--the very men who fought the other printers to do this work, if it is expedient to effect good fight of the revolution, and helped to build up the it? Why not have it discretionary with the Clerk of the frame-work of this republic. It is a principle with me to House to employ those who would do it the cheapest? interpret them as Washington and Adams, and their co- Is there not on your table a proposition to print these laborators--as Jefferson, and Madison, and Monroe, have documents, and let you take them at your own price. done; to say nothing of the patriots of our own days, the when they should be printed, the House could judge of monument of whose fame and public services towers too their value. He was admonished that the time of the high to be seen by our poor obfuscated vision, filmed by House was precious. He rose only to do what he conthe passion of party, in all that beauty and sublimity of sidered his duty. It did seem to him that the House were outline which the remove of another generation will im- about to take a step which would not by any means meet part to the view.
the sanction of the people. He wished his constituents With the gentleman it is a principle to deny to this to see his vote. He asked for the
nays. Government the right to provide for the general weal of Mr. DRAYTON said, to decide upon the passage or its people. With me it is a principle to preserve to it, rejection of this bill, it appears to me that we should deas far as my feeble efforts may, the powers necessary to termine, 1st, whether the documents proposed to be pubsecure me in the enjoyment of “life and the pursuit of lished, are such as we stand in need of in the discharge of happiness," and liberty, too,rational liberty—that which our legislative duties; 2dly, whether, supposing this to be depends for its being on obedience to the law; not that the case, we have the legitimate power to procure them. wild, unbridled liberty, the most odious form of despo- The documents referred to comprehend those State papers tism, “which knows no master but its mood.”
of the Executive and its departments, and those reports REPRINTING OLD DOCUMENTS.
of both branches of Congress, which are of peculiar im
portance, from their throwing light upon the principles The engrossed bill making provision for a subscription of the interior and exterior policy of our Government duto a compilation of congressional documents, was read the ring the long interval which elapsed from the adoption of third time.
the federal constitution to the year 1813. The contents Mr. SPEIGHT said he did not know that any thing he of these papers are known but to few. Of many of them could say on this subject would at this time have any avail there are but two or three copies extant, and others of on the decision of the House. He had little hope that them are only to be found in manuscript, in the possession any appeal he might make to the sober judgment of the of a small number of persons. Surely the records of the House would prevent the passage of this obnoxious mea- United States, upon subjects which ought to be familiar
But a duiy which he felt he owed to his constitu- to every Senator and Representative, should be easily atents, to himself, and his country, forbid his giving a silent tainable; and yet the reverse is notoriously the fact. Withvote. Sir, said Mr. S., I can but express my regret that, in my own limited experience as a member of a commitiee at this late period of the session, this measure, without of this House, it has occurred to me, upon several occaattempting to explain its utility or probable expense, sions, to make fruitless exertions to obtain documents reshould be hurried through the House in this unprece- lating to an early period of our Government, which woukl dented manner. He asked gentlemen if this was the have aided me in the performance of my duties. These usual course for bills containing appropriations to take. impediments in our way ought to be removed; and should Was it not usual for them to go to a Committee of the this bill become a law, they will be effectually removed.
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Shoukl it be rejected, we must, to a certain extent, be Mr. DAVIS, of Massachusetts, then said he desired to depriveil of the benefit of the labors of those who have state the reasons which would influence his mind in the preceded us, and be less competent to execute those vote he was about to give, for gentlemen had made such which devolve upon ourselves. The constitutional power broal and unqualified assertions, that his inutives might to make an appropriation of money for these documents, be misunderstood if he gave that vote silently. The genI think we clearly possess. We have a right to resort to tleman from North Carolina, (Mr. SPEIGHT,) and the gen. the necessary means to enable us to discharge the duties tleman from Tennessee, (Mr. Polx,] had deprecated the which are prescribed to us as legislators. Without infor- passage of the bill in language censorious and reproachmation upon a variety of questions which engaged the ful to a very large portion of the House, for they had dle. minds, and a variety of facts, the investigation of which clared that, under the pretence of printing old musty occipied the time of our predecessors, we should fre- documents, we were about to pension the printers of a quently be deficient in the knowledge requisite to direct public newspaper opposed to the administration. If, Mr. cur judgments. This evil will be increased by delay. Speaker, I viewed this matter as those gentlemen declare We should, therefore, apply the remedy whilst it is in they do, I should most certainly unite with them in de. our power to do so. I have always been opposed to ap- feating the bill, for they cannot more earnestly deprecate propriating money for books to be distributed among the such a motive than I do. A pension to printers of a newsmembers, which could be purchased at the book shops; paper, and for what? For nothing: We are charged but a work like this under consideration will never be with an intention to thrust our hands into the treasury, undertaken without the aid of Congress. Our riglt to and to abstract from it the funds of the nation, to gratify have these documents published, stands upon the same a spirit of wastefulness. Sir, the charge is one of grave fuoting as ordering to be printed an additional number of import; and let us look at the facts, and see whether we the Executive messages, or congressional reports--a are about to abuse the confidence of our constituents in right which has been acquiesced in without a single dis- this reckless manner. Gentlemen speak of the proposi. sentient voice.
tion as if it were new, but it has been brought before the It has been said by gentlemen, that, admitting the pro- two llouses repeatedly within the last four years, not by priety of having executed what this bill contemplates, special legislation, but by our regular standing committees, the expense incidental to it will be enormous--that the who have examined into the matter, and have laid the selection of what is to be printed, is left to the unli- facts before us, by which they were brought to the conmited discretion of the Secretary of the Senate and the clusion tliat the public good called for the measure. They Clerk of this House, who may sanction the publication of tell us, that by fire, and from other causes, the documents useless trash, so as to increase the number of volumes, of several years are so out of print, that the Government has and to augment the cost far beyond what we should feel not a copy for its use; that of some years we have a single ourselves justified in appropriating: I can only reply to copy, of others a few. They, therefore, come to the conthese arguments, that I am informed by the most respect- clusion that a reprint is necessary. The proposition is able authority, that the expense cannot exceed $30,000, to publish only such as are of public importance, and may and that the bill sufficiently guards against the other ob- be useful to the several branches of the Government, in jection of abuse of anthority in the officers of this and of performing its arduous and complex duties. Who does the other House. The Secretary of the Senate and the not know, sir, that those documents contain matter most Clerk of the House of Representatives will be bound by deeply interesting not only to the Government, but to this the respect which they owe to themselves, and by the great, free people? for they contain the thoughts, reasonobligations of their official responsibility, to perform faith-ing, and principles of the men who have been called to fully the trust which is confided to thein. If the publica- adlininister affairs through a long series of years. They tion be provided for, these officers are best qualified to contain much of our civil and political history, which ought superintend and direct it. We have elected them to the and will be preserved, if we place a proper value upon situations in which they are placed--they have discharged the experience of the past. This Government, sir, has its the duties assigned to them with ability and integrity, and foundations in the public will; and if we wish it to strike their repeated elections manifest that the opinions which deep into public affection, and to be cherished and upwe originally entertained of them, have remained unim- held, the public must understand not only its operations paired. Is ii reasonable, then, to suspect that they will of to-day, but its history. Its records must not be confine fail to execute what is required of them, without any temp-ed to the files of this hall, where none but members can tation from interest, and with the means in the Repre- have access to them, and not even they, for useful pursentatives of detecting any treachery or impropriety in poses; but they must be published to the world, that the their conduct?
wisdom and the experience of the past may enlighten and Gentlemen have also urged that we ought not to pass guide us in the future. We have nothing to conceal from this bill, because the effect would be to confer a lucrative the public, and should not gruige a little of the public employment upon those who are hostile to the adminis- money, when it goes to aid the cause of liberty, by diffus. tration. The press is free. The indviduals alluded to ing abroad a knowledge of the principles upon which our are as well entitled to express their sentiments as I am to Government rests, and by establishing it more firmly in express mine. Their opinion may be correct, and mine the hearts of the people. But it is said by a gentleman wrong, or the reverse may be the case. However this from Kentucky, (Mr. WICKLIFFE,] that we have no need may be, I would never inquire to what party any one was of those documents, for he never seeks for one which he attached who proposed to enter into a contract for print- cannot find. Sir, this may be true, though many others ing our proceedings. My sole inquiries would be, whe- have not been so successful in their researches. Is it ther he could execute it with fidelity, and for a just com- enough, sir, that we have files of the papers which are pensation. Satisfied upon these points, I should regard it sent into, or originate in this body. If the gentleman as a proscription which ought not to be tolerated in a free méans so to be understood, I call on him to explain to me and enlightened boly, to reject his application because the reason why we are annually paying such large sums his political opinions were at variance with those of the of money for printing to the public printer. Why do we majority. If our votes are to be influenced by such a have a public printer? If the mere fact that we have a motive, to talk of the hberty of the press would be a delu- copy of a document on file, which may be consulted, sion and a mockery.
is a good reason for not multiplying copies, the arguMr. WAYNE also advocated the passage of the bill; and ment would prove that we need no public printer, and Mr. POLK and Mr. YANCEY warmly opposed it. the pay to him is a waste of public treasure; and yet the
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(FEB. 28, 1831. reasoning of the gentleman has failed to convince himself chanan, Burges, Butman, Cahoon, Chilton, Clark, Conof this.
dict, Cooper, Coulter, Cowles, Craig, Crane, Crockett, The gentlemen assert that these documents, though Creighton, Crowninshield, John Davis, Denny, Dickinson, once printed for use and preservation, are not wanted; Doddridge, Drayton, Dudley, Duncan, Dwight, Eager, and yet one of them has called for the second reading of a Ellsworth, George Evans, Joshua Evans, Edward Everett, letter addressed to you, sir, by Mr. Green, the public Horace Everett, Finch, Forwai!, Gilmore, Grennell, Gurprinter, and presented to the House yesterday morning: !ey, Hawkins, Hemphill, Hodges, Hughes, Hunt, HuntThe reading of this paper could not have been demander ington, Ingersoll, Johns, R. M. Johnson, Kendall, Kincaid, for the purpose of showing what has been put forth as the Leiper, Letcher, Martindale, Mercer, Mitchell, Muhlenmain allegation, that the documents are not useful or not berg, Pearce, Pierson, Ramsey, Randolph, Reed, Richarddemanded by the public, for this individual states his be- son, Rose, William B. Shepard, Semmes, Sill, Ambrose lief that an edition might be disposed of to States, public Spencer, Stanbery, Sterigere, Henry R. Storrs, William institutions, &c. so as to pay the publisher without asking L. Storrs, Strong, Sutherland, Swann, Swift, Taliaferro, aid from Congress. The gentleman from Kentucky (Mr. Taylor, Test, Tracy, Vance, Varnum, Verplanck, VinWICKLIFFE] says he believes he understands this, and has no ton, Washington, Wayne, Whittleser, C. P. White, E. doubt, when the work is published, Congress will be soli- D. White, Wilde, Williams, Wilson, Wingate, Young.cited to take some copies of it. I entertain the same opi- 98. nion, for we cannot get on well without them. I there NAYS.—Messrs. Alexander, Allen, Alston, Anderson, fore would not delay, to see whether this proposition is Angel, Armstrong, Barnwell, James Blair, John Blair, executed, and run the hazard of having it executed to our Bockee, Boon, Borst, Brodhead, Brown, Cambreleng, satisfaction, but would proceed at once to the business, Carson, Chandler, Claiborne, Clay, Coke, Coleman, Conand have the publication made under the care and super- ner, Crawford, Crocheron, Daniel, Davenport, Warren vision of our own officers, the Secretary of the Senate and R. Davis, Desha, De Witt, Draper, Earll, Findlay, Ford, Clerk of the House, as the bill provides; and if there be Foster, Fry, Gaither, Gordon, Hall, Halsey, Hammons more copies than we have occasion for, we may easily dis. Harvey, Ilaynes, Hinds, Holland, Hoffinan, Howard, Hubpose of them if the public printer is right in his opinion bard, ihrie, W. W. Irvin, Isacks, Jarvis, Cave Johnson, about the demand for the work. I think, sir, on a full Kennon, Perkins King, Adam King, Lamar, Lea, Leavitt, view of the facts, that no reasonable doubt can be enter- Lecompte, Lent, Lewis, Loyall, Lumpkin, Magee, Thotained of the propriety of publishing these papers anew, mas Maxwell, McCreery, McCoy, McDuffie, McIntire, for the convenience of Congress and the public good de- Miller, Nuckolls, Overton, Patton, Pettis, Polk, Potter, manid it. An objection, however, has been made to the Rencher, Roane, Russel, Sanford, Aug; H. Shepperd, manner of doing it. Gentlemen ask why certain printers Shields, Speight, Richard Spencer, Standefer, Stephens, are designated in the bill; and there, probably, lies the Wiley Thompson, John Thomson, Trezvant, Tucker, great obstacle with some to the measure. We have been Weeks, Wickliffe, Yancey.-93. asked, in the apparent spirit of triumph, in the course of Mr. McDUFFIE moved to suspend the rule, to enable the debate, why are not proposals made for the lowest him to make a motion to discharge the Committee of the bidder, that we may have the benefit of competition? Sir, Whole from the resolution to amend the constitution relative the bill authorizes the Clerk to subscribe for a certain to the election of President, it was understood, and bring number of copies, the price of which is not to exceed it into the House, but there were not quite two-thirds in what we pay for the public printing: Now, I would ask the affirmative, and the motion was lost. in turn, if this mode of setting contracts up at auction be Adjourned. wise, why do we elect by ballot a public printer? Why is not that work set up for the lowest bidder, instead of be
MONDAY, FEBRUARY 28. ing regulated by law? If I am not misinformed, men can
DEATH OF SENATOR NOBLE. be found, nay, men have actually made proposals, who will take it for less than the law allows; but the experi
, cretary, notifying this House that the honorable JAMES
A message was received from the Senate by their Se ence of Congress has produced the conviction, that work NOBLE, a Senator of the United States from the State of Indone by speculators is less likely to be done faithfully and diana, died at his lodgings in this city on the 27th instant, with despatch, than when it is put out at a reasonable and and that his funeral will take place this day at half past just compensation. The rule which applies to the public eleven o'clock A. M. Whereupon, printing applies to this business. It should be made under
Mr. TEST moved the following resolution, viz. the immediate supervision of our own officers; and I can see
Resolved, That the members of this House will attend no reason why the price should be complained of, when the funeral of the honorable James Noble, late a member its maximum can never reach above what we pay the pub- of the Senate from the State of Indiana, this day, at the lic printer. I do not feel at liberty to neglect a duty hour appointed; and as a testimony of respect for the me, which Congress is called upon, in the most imperative manner, to perform, any longer. The publication is iden- mory of the deceased, they will go into mourning, and tified with the history, progress, and principles of this
wear crape round the left arm for thirty days.
This resolution was agreed to unanimously. Government, and all who feel an interest in its prescrva On motion of Mr. VANCE, it was then tion and success must acknowledge the necessity of sav. ing the lights of experience, not only to guide us, but all of the late Senator Noble, the House will take a recess
Ordered, That, for the purpose of attending the funeral who may come after us. I would not so soon forget the until three o'clock P. M. works of the fathers of the country, nor suffer them to be
And then the House adjourned to three o'clock. buried with their authors. The previous question was then moved by Mr. PETTIS,
THREE O'CLOCK P. M. and was sustained by the House.
The House resumed its session according to adjournThe previous question, that is, Shall the main question ment. be now put? was, on the call of Mr. SPEIGHT, taken by
INDIAN QUESTION. yeas and nays, and carried—107 to 77.
The House resumed the consideration of the memorial The main question, on the passage of the bill, was then from Massachusetts, presented on the 7th instant by Mr, put by yeas and nays, and carried as follows:
E. EVERETT, and the motion made by Mr. EVERETT on YEAS.- Messrs. Archer, Arnold, Bailey, Barber, Bar- the 14th instant, that the said memoriál be referred to the bour, Barringer, Bartley, Bates, Baylor, Beekman, Bu- Committee on Indian Affairs, “ with instructions to report
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The Cumberland Road.-- Indian Treaties.-- indian Affairs.
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a bill making further provision for executing the laws of agreed to; and the bill was then ordered to a third readthe United States on the subject of intercourse with the ing. Indian tribes; and, also, for the faithful observance of the Mr. DRAYTON moved that the House take up the bill treaties between the United States and the said tribes."
making appropriations for the Engineer and Ordnance Mr. BELL was entitled to the floor; but he being ab- Departments, &c.; but Mr. McDUFFIE opposed the mosent, in consequence of indisposition,
tion, as there were items in the bill which he could not Mr. SUTHERLAND said that he had prepared him- agree to, and the others were immaterial; and the motion self for the discussion of this subject, and believed that was negatived. he had it in his power to submit some views of it, not of. The House proceeded to the consideration of the bill fered by any other gentleman; but inasmuch as no legis- making appropriations for building lighthouses, lightboats, lative action could grow out of a decision of the pending beacons, and monuments, and placing buoys; and the question at this late period of the session, and as the fur- amendments reported thereto from the Committee of the ther discussion of it would consume time necessary for the Whole House on the 25th ultimo, were read, and contransaction of other important business, he would forego curred in by the House. his own desire to deliver his views on it, and move that Mr. YANCEY asked for the reading of the bill, but it the resolution be laid on the table.
was objected to, and refused. Mr. POTTER moved that there be a call of the House; Mr. DRAPER demanded the yeas and nays on the third which was refused, by yeas and nays, by a large majority. reading of the bill, but they were refused; and,
The question was then put on the motion of Mr. Suru After Mr. YANCEY had made some remarks against ERLAND, and carried by a large majority, by yeas and nays. the bill, it was ordered to be engrossed, and read a third
The engrossed bill allowing the duties on foreign mer- time. chandise imported into Pittsburg, Wheeling, Cincinnati,
INDIAN AFFAIRS. Louisville, St. Louis, Nashville, and Natchez, to be secursi ed and paid at those places, was read the third time, and making appropriations for the Indian Department for the
The House proceeded to the consideration of the bill Es passed. [When this bill was under consideration on Saturday, the Committee of the Whole House on the 17th instant,
year 1831; and the amendments reported thereto from a long discussion took place, in which Messrs. CAMBRE- were read, and concurred in by the House. LENG, CARSON, HUNTINGTON, WICKLIFFE, IN
A motion was made by Mr. BATES, of Mass., further GERSOLL, RICHARDSON, HOWARD, and WILDE,
to amend the said bill, by adding thereto the following as a participated. A motion to lay the bill on the table was
an additional section, viz. lost—the previous question was demanded and sustainedand the bill ordered to be engrossed, and to be read a dian nations or tribes shall be paid hereafter in the way
“And be it further enacted, that the annuities to the Inthird time.]
and manner they have usually been paid since the grant THE CUMBERLAND ROAD.
thereof, or until the said nations or tribes, respectively, Mr. VINTON, from the Committee on Internal Im- shall, in general council, otherwise direct.” provements, to which was referred the bill from the Sen Mr. BĂTES said he offered this amendment in Comate, entitled “ An act declaring the assent of Congress to mittee of the Whole, and in deference to the wishes of the an act of the Gereral Assembly of the State of Ohio,” here. Committee of Ways and Means; and, upon the assurance inafter recited, reported the same with an amendment, that an opportunity should be afforded in the House, he affecting the tolls and exemptions from tolls on the Cum- forbore then to state the grounds of it. At this late hour berland road; which being read, a considerable debate of the day, and late day of the session, said Mr. B., I will arose; and, after the debate had continued some time, confine myself strictly to the point, because I do not in
A motion was made by Mr. SUTHERLAND, that the tend to afford the slightest apology or occasion for a defurther consideration thereof be postponed until to-mor- mand of the previous question, as I wish to obtain the
This motion was decided in the negative. judgment of the House distinctly upon the proposition inThe question was then put, that the House do agree to volved in the amendment proposed. the amendment reported to the said bill, and decided in Since the foundation of the Government, said Mr. B., the negative--63 to 80.
the practice has been one and undeviating--that of payAnother amendment was then proposed to said bill by ing these Indian annuities to the nations, and not to the Mr. ANGEL; when
individuals composing the nations. This Government has The previous question was moved by Mr. STANBE- never intermeddled with the disbursement or distribution RY, and being carried,
of them. Sometimes they have been applied by the naThe main question was put, viz. Shall the bill be read tives, partly for the support of their Government, for the a third time? and passed in the affirmative without a divi- maintenance of their schools, the purchase of agricultural sion.
implements, or for any other purpose which was most INDIAN TREATIES.
pleasing to themselves. The annuity to the Cherokees The House proceeded to the consideration of the bill tion; the annuity to the Creeks has been paid to the head
has latterly been paid into the public treasury of that nato carry into effect certain Indian treaties; and the amend- men of the different towns; and the annuities to the other ments reported from the Committee of the Whole House nations have been paid in the way and manner they thought on the 25t11 ultimo were read, and concurred in by the House.
proper to direct.
In June last an order was issued by the Executive, re. Mr. McDUFFIE renewed the motion made by him in
versing this ancient and uniform practice. I will send the Committee of the Whole, to insert an appropriation of eighty thousand dollars for carrying into effect the Choc order to the Clerk, and thank him to read it. It is as fol
lows: taw treaty lately ratified by the Senate.
DEPARTMENT OF WAR, Mr. STANBÉRY objected to this, because the appro.
18th June, 1830. priation of last year of five hundred thousand dollars would Sir: The President directs that the practice of paying annuities to
cover this object; and a long debate arose on the subject, continued and thats with a view to secure to the inass of the nation + in which Messrs. LUMPKIN, STRONG, WILDE, POLK, their proper proporiion of such annuity, the same shall be hereafter
McDUFFIE, WAYNE, WICKLIFFE, CAMBRELENG, paid in every case to the individuals respectively entitled; thue is to LEWIS, YANCEY, and TAYLOR, joined. The amend say, to the chiefs and warriors and common Indians, and their fami.
in the ratio in which tbese several classes are entitled; where ment was modified, on the motion of JIr. TAYLOR, and was there are ludians without families, the payments are to be made to
the treasurer of the Cherokee nation shall from henceforth be dis.