MR. MACARTNEY: The hon. Member for Galway speaks of the propriety of throwing the cost of extra police upon the people in one part of the country. I know that when disturbances take place in the North of Ireland, and extra constabulary are sent down, they are charged to the county, and the Government do not have to pay for them. MR. MITCHELL HENRY: What I said was, that that does not happen in England.

hands; and one of these clergymen declared that if he had received one of these placards, outraging his own religious convictions, he could not have restrained his feelings, even if they had led him into violence.

MR. O'DONNELL: The right hon. Gentleman (Mr. J. Lowther) has not answered the Question as to whether any investigation will take place. This is a matter concerning the peace of a very large district, and in which the facts are disputed. I altogether take exception to the manner in which the Government has treated the subject; and I venture to say that if an incendiary Catholic society were to extend its operations to an English Protestant town, and were to hand about tracts and send round agents using the most foul-mouthed language with regard to the Protestant religion and its rites and doctrines, Her Majesty's Government would go a long way beyond merely quartering an extra force of constabulary in the district, and would consider whether the Catholic society had or not been guilty of the offence of provoking breach of the peace. It is all very well to speak of respect for the law, and of the necessity of avoiding outrage; but human nature is human nature in Ireland as in England. In England, conduct on the part of Catholics like that of these most unworthy Protestants in Ireland would have led to riots, and those riots would necessitate the serious attention of Her Majesty's Government. It is impossible to suppose that the Catholics of the West, or of any other part of Ireland, will put up with these continual outrages on their religion; and, though they may commit a legal crime, their natural resentment will receive the warm sympathy of a vast majority of their countrymen-the honest and free-thinking - wherever such outrages may be repeated. Motion, by leave, withdrawn.

MAJOR NOLAN: I wish the public to know the facts. I can speak from a knowledge of 20 or 25 years, for I have property in the district, and I know within my own knowledge, having heard many things on the spot, that, from 20 years ago down certainly to within the last four or five years, there has been a constant system of offering children clothes and food, and, in some cases, I believe, money-but I am not sure as to money-on condition of their changing their faith. Well, there are people in London who contribute to the Irish Church Mission, and they should make up their minds as to whether they wish for these disturbances, or consider whether that is a right and proper means of influencing the religious feelings of the people by giving them food and clothing on condition that they change their faith. Of course, these disturbances were extremely wrong; but I believe that those who read the evidence will see that they originated, in the first instance, in the action of a Protestant schoolmaster. I know that that is contested-I do not wish to speak with authority-but there is no doubt whatever of a system of wholesale bribery going on. There has never been the slightest feeling against the Protestants; but there has been, at different times, a strong feeling against this system of proselytizing by means of money or money's worth. What has happened is, of course, very much to be regretted; but, at the same time, the people who subscribe the money for the purpose of converting the POST OFFICE-THE NEW INTERNAchildren, sometimes the parents, ought to be held in some measure responsible for the disturbances which occur.

MR. SULLIVAN: I would remind hon. Gentlemen that they will find in the Liverpool papers of a year ago letters from English Protestant clergymen who went into these districts, and who had these circulars put into their

TIONAL POST CARD.-QUESTIONS.

MR. SULLIVAN asked the Postmaster General, If the new International Post Card issued by his Department, headed "Great Britain," is intended to be available for the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland; and, if so, is there any reason for not correctly printing the fact?

LORD JOHN MANNERS: The new | this matter, and I regret to state that I International Post Card is intended to found that there did take place in Dunapply to the whole of the United King- dee some disgraceful exhibitions of the dom. The reason why it was headed nature he describes. The chief actor in "Great Britain" was that, in the Con- them described himself as an ex-priest vention agreed to last year in Paris, the of the Roman Catholic Church. I am United Kingdom is styled Great Britain informed that it is doubtful whether all through, and not Great Britain and he ever held that position; but I have Ireland, and the Post Office has simply it on the authority of his own admisfollowed the designation contained in sion, and that is the only evidence I that document. possess, that he was recently convicted in Canada of an attempt to commit a disgraceful offence. The law of Scotland, now that we know how the matter stands, is quite sufficient to meet such cases, and I trust to be able to give such instructions as will prevent the repetition of such a scandal.

MR. SULLIVAN asked, Whether the noble Lord's Department would not call the attention of the Government to the inaccuracy, and ask them when the practice commenced of making the term "Great Britain " cover Great Britain and Ireland in negotiations and Conventions with foreign nations?

LORD JOHN MANNERS: I have not thought it necessary to call the attention of the Government to the matter; but if the hon. and learned Gentleman attaches

INDIA-THE FOUR AND A-HALF PER
CENT LOAN ALLOTMENT.

QUESTION.

SIR CHARLES MILLS asked the

any importance to it I shall be very glad Under Secretary of State for India, If

to do so.

SCOTLAND - RELIGIOUS DISTURB-
ANCES AT DUNDEE.-QUESTION.
MR. O'DONNELL asked the Secre-

he can give any particulars regarding the allotment of the Four-and-a-half per cent. Loan offered for subscription in India?

MR. E. STANHOPE, in reply, said, that the amount tendered was for 6 crores, 70 lakhs of rupees, while the amount accepted was 4 crores, 5 lakhs, at the average rate of 943.

ARMY-THE 58TH REGIMENT-FOREIGN

SERVICE.-QUESTION.

tary of State for the Home Department, Whether it is true that recently serious excitement and rioting were caused at Dundee by the appearance on public platforms of a person representing himself to be an ex-priest of the Catholic Church engaged in exposing the misconduct of the Catholic Clergy; whether MR. WHEELHOUSE asked the Sethe person in question was in the habit cretary of State for War, Whether it be of mimicking in the most offensive man- the intention of the Government to send ner the most sacred rites of the Catholic the 58th Regiment, now serving at the religion, such as the ceremony of the Cape, direct to India upon the concluMass as performed by the officiating sion of the Zulu War; whether the priest; whether, after much bad feeling 58th Regiment has been only five years had been excited, it was not discovered in England after ten years' service in that the pretended ex-priest had never India; and, whether, after the last rebelonged to any Catholic Ministry, but turn home of that Regiment, it was not was an ex-convict, who some years pre-despatched on foreign service before viously had been found guilty in Canada its full time in England was comof a disgraceful offence; and, whether, to prevent such abuse of the rights of religious discussion, some provision would be introduced, as in the Indian Penal Code, against gross and scandalous insults to the religious beliefs entertained by large sections of Her Majesty's subjects?

THE LORD ADVOCATE (Mr. WATSON): Sir, I have to inform the hon. Member that I have made inquiry into

pleted?

COLONEL STANLEY, in reply, said, it was not the present intention of the Government to send the 58th Regiment to India. That regiment had been 9 years 8 months in India, and 4 years 11 months at home. It had not been sent on foreign service before the proper time, though the exigencies of the Service had curtailed the period of its stay in England.

CUSTOM HOUSE-THE TEA AND EAST
INDIA DEPARTMENTS-DEFECTIVE
SANITARY ARRANGEMENTS.

QUESTION.

MR. FAWCETT asked the Secretary to the Treasury, Whether it is the case,

COURTS OF JUSTICE BUILDING ACT 1865 (AMENDMENT) ACT-INCREASE OF FEES UPON SUITORS.

QUESTION.

MR. HERSCHELL asked the Secre

tary to the Treasury, Whether he will lay upon the Table of the House a statement showing approximately what would The Courts of Justice Building Act, be the annual sum to be levied under 1865 (Amendment) Act," on the suitors in the next twenty-five years, in the shape of an increase of fees, and what per-centage of increase on the present fees would result.

SIR HENRY SELWIN-IBBETSON,

as stated in the "Sanitary Record" of the 16th May, that a report has been made to the Treasury by the Office of Works on the defective sanitary arrangements of the Tea and East India Department Offices in the Custom House; and, if so, whether the Treasury in tend taking any action in the matter? SIR HENRY SELWIN-IBBETSON, in reply, said, the improvements suggested by a Report made in May, 1878, on the Tea Department at the Custom House had been carried out. After the Estimates for this year had been prepared-in fact, only on the 18th of April -a fresh application was made for improved accommodation in that Department, in which the statement was again made of unhealthiness. As this fresh application appeared to have been made more with a view to providing extra comfort than an improvement in the sanitary condition, and as it was overcrowding rather than unhealthiness that METROPOLIS-STATE OF REPAIR OF had to be dealt with, the application had been postponed in order to avoid a Supplementary Estimate. He could assure the hon. Member that it would not be lost sight of in the preparation of next year's Estimates.

in reply, said, that the annual sum to be levied under the Courts of Justice Building Act, 1865, Amendment Act might be approximately stated at some £35,000 a-year, as far as could be seen at present; but he feared it would be imposincrease on present fees would result, sible as yet to say what percentage of because the Bill now before the House would spread that increase over a much larger area than that on which it would

fall under the law as it stood.

PUBLIC ROADS.-QUESTION.

SIR EARDLEY WILMOT asked the Chairman of the Metropolitan Board of Works, Whether the streets and roads of the Metropolis are under any general Government supervision; and whether complaints have reached him of the bad condition of many of the Metro

SOUTH AMERICA-CHILI AND PERU-politan roads in consequence of the indif

THE HOSTILITIES.-QUESTION. MR. A. MILLS asked the Under Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, Whether any information other than that which has already appeared in the newspapers has reached the Foreign Office respecting the war now going on between Chili and Peru; and, whether any intervention by way of mediation is possible on the part of Her Majesty's Government?

MR. BOURKE: Sir, the information which has been received at the Foreign Office is similar to that which has appeared in the public journals. Her Majesty's Government have tendered to both belligerents their good offices, with the view to a settlement of their disputes.

ferent materials used in their repair, and especially from the use of the circular pebble and gravel instead of broken stone, and of lumps of much larger size than those of two-inch diameter invariably adopted by Mr. Macadam in his construction of roads.

SIR JAMES M GAREL-HOGG: Sir. the streets and roads of the Metropolis are not under Government supervision, nor are they under the supervision of the Metropolitan Board of Works. They are under the supervision of the respective Vestries and District Boards of the Metropolis. As regards complaints of indifferent materials, I do not recollect any complaint as to circular pebble and gravel instead of broken stone; but now and then I have had complaints of the

bad state of the roads in the Metropolis, | Parliament the vehicle for publishing and whenever I have had such com- statements that do not concern the Goplaints I have always taken care that vernment. they were forwarded to the Vestries or District Boards responsible for the proper maintenance of the roads. I have also taken care that the representatives of those districts who are on the Metro

politan Board should have notice given them, so that they might see into the

matter.

NORTH OF ENGLAND-THE NEW UNIVERSITY-ISSUE OF A CHARTER

QUESTION.

MR. COURTNEY asked Mr. Chan

cellor of the Exchequer, If, in view of the possibility of the advisers of the Crown recommending an exercise of the prerogative in the issue of a charter of a new University in the North of England, he will arrange that an oppor

“THE GOVERNMENT AND THE TELE-
GRAPH COMPANIES" - PURCHASE
OF THE UNITED KINGDOM ELEC-tunity shall be previously given to this
TRIC TELEGRAPH COMPANY
CHARGE OF FRAUD.

QUESTION.

MR. FORTESCUE HARRISON

asked Mr. Chancellor of the Exchequer,

If his attention has been called to an

House of expressing an opinion thereon?

THE CHANCELLOR OF THE EXCHEQUER, in reply, said, that he feared he could not make opportunities for the disthe proposed new University; but the hon. cussion by the House of the scheme for

Member would have it in his

power,

if

he thought right, to move an Address to the Crown on the subject.

AFGHANISTAN-THE WAR-BASES OF

PEACE.-OBSERVATION.

THE CHANCELLOR OF THE EXCHE

QUER: It may be of interest to the House that I should mention that the Government have received a communication from the Viceroy of India, stating that the bases of peace have been arrived at with the Ameer Yakoob Khan.

article headed "The Government and the Telegraph Companies," which appeared in "Capital and Labour" on the 9th instant, in which it is stated that a memorial has been sent to the Lords of the Treasury containing grave charges against certain persons therein named in connection with the acquisition by the Government of the United Kingdom Electric Telegraph Company in 1869, and asserting, amongst other things, that by the award made in that transaction the revenues of the country were defrauded to the extent of over £400,000; and, whether it is true that a memorial | SOUTH AFRICA-NEGOTIATIONS WITH of this nature has been received by the Lords of the Treasury; and, if so, whether he will lay a Copy of it upon the Table of the House, together with the reply of the Government thereto?

THE BOERS.-QUESTION.

MR. W. E. FORSTER: I wish to ask the Secretary of State for the Colonies a Question, of which I have not had an opportunity of giving him Notice, but THE CHANCELLOR OF THE EXCHE- which, if he would prefer it, I shall be QUER: A Memorial has been sub- content if he will answer to-morrow. mitted to the Treasury, asserting that On Saturday, there appeared in one of the Government has been defrauded of the daily newspapers a document promore than £400,000 in respect of the fessing to be a despatch from Sir Bartle award for the acquisition of the United Frere, in regard to the Memorial of the Kingdom Electric Telegraph Company, Boers. I wish to ask the right hon. and they have also received a sworn de- Gentleman, Whether he can tell the claration denying the truth of the alle- House if such a despatch has been regation. A considerable part of the sub-ceived, and, if so, whether he will lay it ject-matter of the Memorial does not on the Table of the House? concern the Government; but I have SIR MICHAEL HICKS-BEACH: caused an investigation to be made into Sir, I have not received any such dethat portion which does concern the Go-spatch. On the 24th of April, Sir Bartle vernment, and there will be no objection Frere telegraphed from Pretoria that to laying on the Table the Report I have Copies of the correspondence between received on that part of the subject. himself and the Boers would be sent by think it would be objectionable to make the next mail; but he made no reference

I

to this despatch, which is dated April 17. Of course, however, it may be authentic; and, if it is so, its publication in South Africa before it reached me might be accounted for by Sir Bartle Frere having shown it to the Boer Committee, to ascertain whether they were satisfied with it as a summary of their arguments.

AFGHANISTAN AND ZULULAND-THE
WARS-NUMBER OF BRITISH TROOPS.

QUESTION.

MR. WADDY gave Notice that on Thursday he would ask the Secretary of State for War to state the number of British Forces of all arms now engaged in the prosecution of Wars in Afghanistan and Zululand respectively, including in each case the troops actually under

orders.

COLONEL STANLEY said, it might save inconvenience, if he said at once that he did not think he could give any information with regard to the troops employed in India. He was not sure that he had the innformation, or the means of procuring it; but, if he had, of course he would produce it with the rest.

ORDERS OF THE DAY.

SUPPLY-CIVIL SERVICE ESTIMATES.

[Progress.]

SUPPLY-considered in Committee. (In the Committee.)

CLASS III.-LAW AND JUSTICE. (1.) £56,706, to complete the sum for Law Charges, agreed to.

(2.) £162,444, to complete the sum for Criminal Prosecutions, Sheriffs' Expenses, &c.

LORD FREDERICK CAVENDISH said, it would be well if the Government would inform the Committee what steps were being taken to carry into effect the recommendations of the Committee which had inquired into this subject. Economy ought to be effected in this matter; and when the present Government came into Office they had an opportunity of effecting economy in the Administrative Department of the Courts of Justice. It would be in the recollection of the Committee that, as long back as 1873, a Committee of the House was appointed to inquire into the Civil Service Expenditure. The Committee exaTHE MARQUESS OF HARTINGTON mined into the various Legal Departasked, Whether, in the probable event ments in the country, the administration of the discussion on the Indian Budget of which cost £1,750,000. After relasting more than one night, the Go- viewing the evidence they had received, vernment would take the adjourned de- the Committee considered that all the bate on the following Monday, or make Legal Establishments were unduly exarrangements for continuing it on Friday? pensive; and they reported that, not THE CHANCELLOR OF THE EXCHE-only were there ample fields for economy, QUER, in reply, said, he must consult with his Colleagues before giving an

PARLIAMENT-ORDER OF BUSINESS.

answer.

QUESTIONS.

LORD EDMOND FITZMAURICE asked the hon. Member for Roscommon, When the second reading of the University Education (Ireland) Bill would be taken?

but also great need for improvement in the administrative arrangements; in fact, in their opinion, great service would be rendered to the public by a reorganization of the Administrative Department. Two years after that Report, he had the honour to bring this subject before the House, and he was assured by the Secretary to the Treasury that it was engaging the attention of the Treasury. On looking at this Estimate, it was impossible to observe that any results had ensued from the attention which the Secretary to the Treasury then promised to give to the matter. He hoped that, after this long interval, the Government would do all in their power to put into THE CHANCELLOR OF THE EXCHE-effect the recommendations of the ComQUER said, he could not give an answer to the Question at that moment,

THE O'CONOR DON said, he had every reason to believe that it would be the first Order of the Day on Wednesday; and, if so, he intended to proceed with it on that day.

DR. CAMERON asked, Whether the second reading of the Banking and Joint Stock Companies Bill would be taken before Whitsuntide?

Sir Michael Hicks-Beach

mittee. At the present time, economy was so very requisite, and it would be