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was deaf to their prayer. [The hon, Mem- from the year 1809-10 to 1828-29 inclusive :- Also, ber proceeded at some length to address
Account showing the amount of all supplies received from
the several Presidencies and Settlements in India, at the the House, but the confusion which pre- Factory at Canton, distinguishing the Presidencies, and vailed, and the repeated calls of “Ques- specifying the particular supplies under each head, and
for each year, from the year 1809-10 to 1828-29 in. tion! Question !" rendered what he said
clusive: --Also, Account showing the amount of all supfor a long time inaudible. At length plics received from the island of St. Helena, at the Factory silence was partially restored, and the hon.
at Canton, specifying the particular supplies under each
head, and for cach year, from the year 1809-10 to 1828-29 Member was heard to declare his intention
inclusive:- Also, Account showing the amount of all of withdrawing the original Motion in supplies from England to the factory at Canton in each favour of the Amendment.]
year, from the year 1809-10 to 1828-29 inclusive:-
Also, Account showing the amount of the cargoes (and of The Speaker informed the hon. Gentle
what consisting) consigned from the Factory at Canton to man, that if the original Motion was with- England ; likewise the amount of all payments for which
England is debited, in each year, from the year 1809-10 drawn, there would remain no question
to 1828-29 inclusive :- Also, Account shewing the amount before the House, as an amendinent upon of all Bills of Exchange drawn upon the Court of Direca motion which was withdrawn could not tors, by the Supercargoes of Canton, in each year, from
the year 1809-10 to 1828-29 inclusive, in tales, converted
into sterling money, at the rate of 6s. 8d, per tale, conMr. Peel suggested, that they should trasted with the amount of the payment of the said Bills, divide upon the Amendment, with the un- actually made in sterling inoney:-Also, Account of Goods
exported by the Court of Directors from England to derstanding that that division was to de
Canton, in the year 1809-10 to 1828-29 inclusive, cide the whole question. The original specifying the quantities of each, their invoice value, and Motion was accordingly negatived with
a statement of the gain or loss on the sales of the Com.
pany's Exports in each year :--Also, Account of the Losses out a division,
sustained by the East India Company in the China trade, On the Amendment the House divided, in each year, from the year 1809-10 to 1828-29 inclusive, when the numbers appeared--for the
by perils of the sea, capture, damage or waste of goods,
short deliveries, or other causes :- Also. Account of all Amendment 87; Against it 255: major- Sums paid for freight, demurrage, or ships employed by ity against the Amendment 168.
the East India Company in the China trade, in each year, from the year 1809-10 to 1828-29 inclusive:-Also, Account of the charges incurred by the East India Com
pany on the Shipping at Canton, including the measureII OUSE OF LORDS.
ment of ships, &c. in each year, from 1809-10 to 1828-29 Wednesday, March 24.
inclusive: --Also, Account of Losses sustained by the
East India Company, from perils of the sea, damage of MINUTES.] Lord Viscount Doneraile took the Oaths and ships or cargoes, from bad debts, &c. in each year, from
his Seat as a representative Peer of Ireland, in the room of 1809-10 to 1828-29 inclusive :- Also, Account of the the late Marquis of Headfort.
actual cost of all the Company's Buildings in China, up to The Earl of SHAFTESBURY laid on the Table the Second Re- the latest date :- Also, a Statement of the Sums annually
port of the Commissioners for inquiring into the Common expended in repairs, rent, taxes, or otherwise, from the Law Courts.-Ordered to be printed.
year 1809-10 to 1828-29 inclusive:-Also, Account of Petitions presented ;-By Lord HOLLAND, from certain re. Long Ells, Broad Cloth, and Camblets, demanded from
tail brewers of Bury, in Lancashire, complaining of the and exported to China in each year, from 1811 to 1829, injurious operation of law aftecting their trade, and pray. both inclusive :- Also, Account of Lead and Tindemanded ing for relief. The noble Lord presented a similar Peti- from and exported to China, from 1811 to 1829, bnth intion from retail brewers of Manchester and Salford:-- By clusive :-Also, Account of sundry articles of British mathe Earl of KinnOUL, from the merchants and other in- nufacture and produce, which have been exported to habitants, and from the Lord Provost, Magistrates and China upon experiment, not having been demanded by Town Council of the City of Perth, praying that the trade indent, in each year, from 1811 to 1829, both inclusive: with India and China might be thrown open-Referred to Also, Account of all Goods imported from China into the Committee on East India Affairs:-By the Earl of Great Britain, from the year 1811 to the year 1898, both STRADBROKE, from Mendlesham, Suffolk, complaining of inclusive, specifying the quantity and declared value of Distress, and praying for the repeal of the Malt and Beer the principal articles imported, and distinguishing the East Duties.
India Company's trade from the Privilege trade :-- And also, Account of all Goods exported to China from Great
Britain, from the year 1811 to the year 1828, both incluHOUSE OF LORD S.
sive, specifying the quantity and declared value of the
principal articles exported, and distinguishing the trade of Thursday, March 25.
the East India Company from the Privilege trade: Also, MINUTES.] The Musory Appointments Bill was brought
Extract from a Revenue letter from the Bengal Government up from the Commons, and read a first time. The annual to the Court of Directors, dated 29th of June, 1826, reFinance accounts, the annual account of the Droits of
specting the permission granted to Europeans to hold lands Admiralty, and other casual Revenues, and the sixteenth
on lease, for the cultivation of Coffee:--Also, Minute of report of the Commissioners for the repair of Roads and
Mr. Trower, Member of the Board of Revenue at CalBridges in Scotland, were laid on the Table.
cutta, dated 25th of March,1823:- Also, Resolution of the The following Returns were ordered to be laid on the Table, Government of Bengal, passed 7th of May, 1824:--Also, on the Motion of Lord ELLENBOROUGH-List of Hong
Extract of a Revenue letter from the Court of Directors Merchants, stating the particular privileges and powers
to the Government of Bengal, dated 10th of September, with which they are invested in respect to the Canton
1828, in reply to a letter from Bengal of 29th of June, trade: --Also, Statement of the Company's Establishment
1826:- Also, Extract of a Letter from the Court of Diof Supercargues, &c. at Canton, specifying the rank of rectors to the Government of Bengal, dated 8th of July, ench, their respective salaries, and all other charges of the
1829, directing that Government to adhere to the terms of establishment at Canton ; likewise the commission paid to their resolution of 7th of May, 1824. each on the European or Chinese sales of goods, or both, Petitions presented, Praying for the Repeal of the Laws
imposing Disabilities on the Jews, on account of their re- change in the Welsh Judicature, he must ligion, by Lord GODERICH, from Moses Solomons, Navyagent, Portsmouth :-By Lord King, from Trivett Állcock, say that there were parts of the judicial adresiding in Norwich. Complaining of the alterations in ministration in that country with which he the Navigation Laws, by the Earl of Eldon, from the should be very unwilling to part ;---for inShip-owners of South Shields :-Complaining of Distress, by the Earl of Winchilsea, from the inhabitants of stance, he should not like to take from it Romney Marsh. Praying for the Abolition of Slavery, the Equity Courts, which he considered to by Earl Gower, from Lane End and Henley, Stafford be a great advantage to that country. Howshire. Against the Tithe System in Ireland, by Loril King, from Sutton, in the County of Wexford.
ever, he would give the subject, when it
came before him, his fullest consideration, Welsh JUDICATURE.) The Earl of nor would he assent to any change of part Eldon presented a Petition from the Gentry, of that law without being most fully satisClergy, and Freeholders of the county of fied that the change would be an advantage Pembroke, against any alteration in the sys- to the country. He saw, in some publicatem of Welsh Judicature ;--also a similar tions, mention' made of frauds in conveyPetition from the Mayor, Burgesses, and In- ancing: there might have been some, but habitants of the town of Haverfordwest. The as an old lawyer he would say to those who noble and learned Lord said, he wished to wished to alter the system, that they might take that opportunity of expressing his regret make themselves easy on that ground, that he had been unable to attend in his generally there were no such things. He place when the noble and learned Lord on would again repeat, that he would give his best the woolsack introduced the subject of the attention to the whole subject, and would proposed changes in the law to their Lord- support the proposed alterations, as far as ships' notice; which was not from under- he should think they were likely to benefit valuing the importance of the subject, or the public. With respect to allusions which from any want of respect to the noble and had elsewhere been made to himself (as we learned Lord, but literally because he was understood the noble Lord, who spoke in a unable. He would, therefore, without going very low tone,) the practice of his professiinto the subject to which their attention onal life had been to adopt the lesson which had been called, take that opportunity to he had heard from Burke-where he found state, that he would give his most serious he had been properly blamed he endeavoured consideration to the measures about to be to correct his conduct; but where he had introduced, and if he should be found op- been improperly blamed, he pursued his posing any part of them, it would not be course steadily, without reference to the from any spirit of contention, but from opinions of others. conscientious grounds of objection. Had Earl Cawdor said, that he was sorry to he been in his place on Monday, he should differ from the petitioners, but he thought most readily have corroborated what fell that the assimilation of the practice of the from the noble and learned Lord as to the law in England and Wales wonld be a great unfounded assertions respecting the expense benefit to the latter country. He was sorry of the commissioners of inquiry into the to have to differ on this point from the Court of Chancery. The gentlemen who noble and learned Lord who had just sat acted in that commission never received one down; but so far from thinking that the farthing for their trouble. They not only Equity Courts to which the noble and learned gave their services gratuitously to the pub- Lord alluded were a benefit to Wales, he lic, but their attention to the business of thought them an encumbrance and a hinthat commission was given at the sacrifice of | drance to justice. considerable professional emolument. With respect to the inquiry proposed into the IMPROVEMENT OF Roads.] The Marstate of the Ecclesiastical-law, he admitted quis of Salisbury rose to move for several that the necessity of it was made out by a Returns connected with the expenses of recent case, to which he would not then the Commissioners of the London and more particularly allude. As to the revi- Holyliead, and London and Edinburgh sion of the Criminal-law, his professional Roads, to the production of which, he said, habits for a very long period of his life he understood there was no objection. The were such as to render him not the most reason why he made the Motion was, that competent judge on that subject, but he a comunittee had been, as ho understood, apvery willingly gave credit to those who had pointed in another place to inquire into the undertaken the task for a disposition and state of those roads; and he wished that ability to improve the law and its adminis- their Lordships should be in possession of tration. On the subject of the proposed all the information necessary to understand the subject, particularly the amount of the towns at present unrepresented—to Leeds, expense incurred by the commissioners. or Birmingham, or some other great town. The noble Marquis then moved for the following Returns. An account of all sums DISTRESS.] Lord Wharncliffe presented of Money granted by Parliament for the a Petition, signed by 3,500 persons residing improvement of the Road from London to | in Huddersfield and its vicinity. They Holyhead since the institution of the Com- complained of great distress, and prayed for mission for that purpose ; an account of some relief. A part of their distress they each Contract for works done on the different attributed to the decline in the demand for trusts; an account of the Debt incurred on Fancy Stuffs, which was so great as almost the tolls of each trust; an account of the to destroy that trade; but the great cause Tolls payable on each trust; an account of of the difficulties they and other classes all Salaries paid under the direction of the suffered, they attributed to the pressure of Commissioners; and an account of all money taxation, greatly aggravated by certain meapaid for Surveys relating to the Roads be- sures that had been adopted by Governtween London and Edinburgh, and London ment, more particularly that of the change and Portpatrick under the authority of Go- from a paper to a metallic currency. This vernment.
change the petitioners thought should have Viscount Goderich wished to know, if his been accompanied by a reduction of part of noble friend included in his Motion the the national debt, or by some measure which whole of the receipts of the Commissioners, would bring the property of the fundholder for if he did not, the account would be in as much under the effects of taxation as the complete and incorrect; the whole expenses other property of the country. Upon these of the roads not being met by sums from points he differed from the petitioners. He the public purse:-a considerable part of did not see what measure could be introthe expenditure was made good by tolls duced which would have the effect of making which they were authorised to levy. the property of the fundholder liable in the
The Marquis of Salisbury stated, that he way proposed. Nor did he admit the juswished to have an account of the whole ex- tice of any reduction of the national debt in penditure for which the public supplied the any way by which faith would be broken funds, as well as that which came from with the public creditor. In that part of other sources. What he most disliked was, the prayer of the petitioners which sought a species of local taxation by Parliamentary for a large reduction of taxation he fully Commissioners, which he considered to be concurred, and he hoped to hear of still very improper.
greater reductions than those which had Viscount Goderich doubted if the Com- been already announced by Government. missioners levied any money except that He had great confidence in the disposition which they were authorised to do by Act of of Ministers to go as far as they could in Parliament. In order to support the ex- reducing the burthens of the country. pense, an increased toll was levied at some Petition laid on the Table, places, and there was an additional postage on letters conveyed from London to Dublin. CORN AVERAGES.] The Earl of MalmesFrom these sources the money at first ad- bury rose to move for certain returns revanced by the commissioners had since been specting the averages taken of the price of replaced.
Corn. Those returns he considered of great The Returns were then ordered. importance in ascertaining how far the
present mode of taking the averages was EAST RETFORD.) The Marquis of Salis- correct. Their Lordships would recollect, bury moved, that a message be sent to the that when the Corn-laws were in progress Commons, requesting a copy of the Minutes through the House, it was said that a great of Evidence taken before it on the East boon was given to the English farmer by Retford Bill.
including Irish wheat in the averages; but Lord Wharncliffe said, he did not rise to he had reason to believe that a very small oppose the Motion, but merely to give notice, portion of the wheat from that country was that if their Lordships should think the actually so included. The first return for evidence sufficiently strong to warrant the which he should move was an account of second reading of the Bill, it was his inten- the quantity of Corn imported into Livertion to move an amendment in the com- pool from Ireland, and the quantity immittee that the franchise be transferred, ported coastwise, from July, 1828, to not to Bassetlaw, but to one of the great January, 1830. The second Return would include an account of the weekly averages | turns an error was let in in calculating the sent from Liverpool and Manchester to the averages, that error should be corrected. Inspector of Corn-returns in the same period. He thought the duty of the inspector of By the correspondence between these, it Corn-returns should not be confined to the would be seen how far the wheat imported mere casting up of figures, but that this from Ireland was brought into the general officer should be satisfied of the manner in averages. In wishing that such Returns which the returns were made, and of the should be laid before the House, it was not correctness of the data on which the weekly his intention to found any motion upon averages were calculated. The noble Earl them which would re-open the discussion concluded by moving for the Returns he had of the general question of the Corn-laws. specified. He had no such wish, and to do so he was The Earl of Limerick supported the sure would not be in accordance with the Motion. It was right, if the quantum of inclination of their Lordships ; but it did protection to be given to the British Cornnot follow, because they did not like to have grower were to be measured by the averthe question re-opened, that they should ages, that the mode of taking those avernot have an opportunity of judging how ages should be as correct as possible, and far the present mode of taking the averages they could not be so if the returns did not was correct. The object of the Corn-laws include the whole of the home-grown Corn was, to give protection to the British Corn- brought into the market. grower; but, in his opinion, it did not
Motion agreed to. afford it to him to a sufficient extent, or to the extent contemplated by the Act. It was Taxation.] Lord Suffield said, he had a great misfortune that the bill had not to present to the House Petitions from the been divided into two, as had been sug- owners and occupiers of land in the several gested by himself and others. If it had, hundreds in the county of Norfolk, comthe question of the averages, which ought plaining of great distress, caused by the to have been the object of one bill, might excessive burthen of Taxation, from part of be reconsidered without any danger of re- which they prayed to be relieved, more opening the whole question ; but without particularly from the burthen of the duty intending any such course, he thought on malt. "The petitioners complained that Parliament was bound to adopt such mea- they were now in a worse situation than sures as would best tend to carry its original they were ten years ago, and they stated, object in passing the bill into effect. There that the capital of the farmer had been was, at this very moment, a considerable very materially reduced, which proved that rise taking place in the Corn-market, which his trade had been a losing one. In adverthe had reason to believe was the result of ing to the distress of the country, it was artificial operation. Some parties seemed not his intention to advocate the interest of desirous of creating an opinion that there one class more than another because he was not a sufficient quantity of Corn in the happened to belong to it. He had been an country, but he had no doubt that such an enemy to the Corn-laws from the beginopinion would be found crroneous, as the ning, because he felt that they failed in stock on hand was very considerable. By giving that protection to the home-grower artificial means Corn might be raised to such which was intended, and at the same time an average price as would greatly diminish they had not produced any advantage to the import duty on foreign corn. This was the consumer. Bread was still too dear, the case last December, when a rise on the though the farmer did not derive any general average of 2s. 4d. per quarter had benefit from the high price. What the the effect of diminishing the duty 11s., and farmer required was, a reduction of rent, the consequence was, that 400,000 quarters and that had taken place to a considerable of foreign Corn were at once poured in on extent, and a still greater reduction must the market. Had this rise been the result take place. The petitioners, he admitted, of a really diminished stock, insufficient to did not pray for any such reduction, but meet the demand, he would not object, but there was no doubt that it would be a it ought not to be permitted when it was relief to them. Indeed, too high rents not the result of the actual quantity of could not be long continued, for in the Corn in the country. The Corn-law was result they would operate to the injury of passed for the benefit of the consumer as the party receiving, as well as to the party well as the grower, and it was right, that paying them. The distress of the country, if by the present mode of taking the ra- however, did not arise in any great degree VOL. XXIII.
from that source. He looked upon our meeting, had it not been for some remarks present condition as a just retribution on which had been made by a noble Marquis us for not having availed ourselves of the (Camden), whom he had much pleasure in opportunities which had been afforded us calling his friend, -he meant the noble of obtaining effectual relief. That relief, Lord-lieutenant of the county of Kent. in his opinion, might have been obtained, His noble friend had represented it as a and was still to be obtained, by a proper meeting called by a political party for the administration of the laws respecting the purpose of exciting opposition to the present Poor. By a due attention to those laws, Government. Now this would be no valid not by the farmers, for the matter did not objection, even if the fact were so; but it rest with them, but by the gentlemen and was perfectly clear that such a party could magistrates of the country-the burthens of not have prevailed upon the county to the poor-rates might be greatly, and in express such opinions if the state of things some parts of the country, wholly reduced. represented in the petition to exist in the He could prove that this had actually taken county did not really exist.
If the petiplace in some places, and that was more tioners thought the distress to be partial, conclusive than any reasoning he could or if they thought it arose from causes not offer to their Lordships on the subject. under the control of Parliament, they could He would not pursue this point farther, as not have been prevailed upon by a political a more fit opportunity would present itself. party, either to sign the requisition for the The petitioners also prayed, and he fully meeting, or to concur in the sentiments joined them in that prayer, for a reduction contained in the petition. The persons of taxation, because he considered a large who signed the requisition were of all parreduction was necessary to relieve the ties and of all opinions in politics, and they country. He rejoiced at what had been came forward only from being convinced done in that way, but he did not think it that there was a necessity to demand an went far enough. He should like to see immediate inquiry into the condition of the a reduction of the duty on Malt, on Coals, country. For his own part he had openly Soap, Candles, and other necessary articles stated his opinions of what was requisite of consumption which bore very heavily on for the welfare of the country, and asking the people. At the same time he felt for nothing, wanting nothing, wishing for grateful to Government for the relief it nothing, that Ministers could give, he should had already afforded, and he would venture support any government that acted on humbly to hope that still greater reductions principles which he thought beneficial to of taxation would be made.
the country ; and he should oppose any Petitions read, and to lie on the Table. government which acted on contrary prin
The Earl of Eldon, referring to what ciples. So much, then, for the meeting in fell from him on a former occasion in re- the county of Kent having been got up for spect to the debt of the country, said, that the sake of distressing the Government. what he stated had been incorrectly given. His noble friend, too, had impugned the He was represented to have said, in allusion accuracy of the statement of the petitioners, to the alteration in the currency, that debts when they said that the grievous and contracted in a depreciated currency ought general distress of the country demanded to be paià in a depreciated currency, or at the immediate attention of that honourable the same rate they were contracted. He House. His noble friend had said, that the was in the recollection of several noble distress was not so general, and that it was Lords, and he could appeal to them in not so grievous in the county of Kent as stating that he had said no such thing, the petitioners represented it to be ; and quite the reverse. He should consider such in proof of this, his noble friend had said a proposition as extremely unjust.
that farms were still generally in cultiva
tion. His noble friend ought to have KENTISH Petition.] Earl Stanhope stated, at the same time, that the farms said, that he had been requested to present were cultivated at very considerable loss. a Petition, agreed to at a public meeting He did not know whether it was the duty held in the county of Kent, and that he of a Lord-lieutenant to give to the Governacceded to that request with the more ment a very flattering account of the county pleasure, inasmuch as he heartily concurred over which he presided; but he was sure in the prayer of the petition. He should that, in the present instance, it would be not have troubled their Lordships with any a very difficult matter; because it could observations upon the respectability of this not be done without concealing some facts