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donderry, in presenting a Petition from the without making some other class suffer Coal-whippers of London, praying their from the advantage conferred on them. Lordships to remedy certain abuses in the Coal-trade, observed, that the Committee SPEAKERS OF THE HOUSE OF LORDS.] sitting up-stairs was likely to throw much The Lord Chancellor, in giving notice, light on the monstrous frauds committed that he would, on Friday next, move the in the port of London with respect to the second reading of two Bills, one relating to article of Coals. He was happy also to say, the Property of Lunatics, and the other to that he believed the Corporation of the Contempt of the Court of Chancery, inCity of London would come forward and formed their Lordships, that his Majesty remedy thiese evils. He had observed, in- had been graciously pleased to issue two deed, that a measure was in progress in commissions; one authorising Lord 'Tenanother place, to substitute the practice of terden to act as Speaker to their Lordships' selling coals by weight, for selling them House in the absence of the Lord Chanby measure, which would tend greatly to cellor; and the other authorising Lord remove the abuses.

Wynford to act as Speaker in the absence

of Lord Tenterden and the Lord Chancellor. SHIPPING INTEREST.] Earl Stanhope, The two Commissions were, on the Motion in presenting a Petition from the Ship of the Lord Chancellor, read by the clerk. owners of Kingston-upon-Hull, praying that a reduction of the expenses in every de- HOUSE OF COMMONS. partmentofthe Government might be effect

Monday, March 15. ed, and that means might be taken to pro-Minutes.] Thomas GardinER BRANSTON, Esq. took the duce a more equal distribution of the bur- Oaths and his Seat as Member for the County of Essex. thens of the people, observed, that it was no

A Report of the Committee on the Wexford Election was

submitted to the House to the following effect: answerto the complaints of the Ship-owners, “That the right of election for the Borough or Wexford, to show that a large amount of tonnage was was not in the description of persons that was set forth in employed, for he could prove, that in that re

the Petition, but that it consisted in such persons as had

served an apprenticeship of seven years to freemen, or had spect, the greatest possible fallacies existed;

resided in the Borough of Wexford at the period of their for though the amount of tonnage was

admission to the freedom, or had carried on business for considerable, the freights were very low.

six years in Wexford, pursuant to statute 14 and 15

Charles 2nd, and the new rules for the better encourageHe wished to ask the noble Duke at the ment of Protestants to take up their residence in different head of the Government, whether he had

• That Sir Robert WIGRAM, Knt., was not duly any objection to the appointment of a Select

elected at the last election; but that Sir EDWARD CHOLMECommittee to consider the state of the LEY DERINO, Bart., was duly elected, and ought to have Shipping Interest?

“ That neither the Petition against the return, nor the The Duke of Wellington replied, that he

opposition to it, was frivolous or vexatious : did not understand the noble Earl to have " That from certain facts which had been disclosed in

the proceedings before the Committee, they deemed it exshewn any ground for appointing such a

pedient that the Evidence should be printed and laid before Committee. If the noble Earl made a the House."--Ordered. motion upon the subject, he should be The Galway Franchise Bill was brought in and read a first

time; and the Pensions and Duties Bill was read a third better able to give it a direct answer.

time and passed. Earl Stanhope said, he was quite ready Petition from the Tradesmen of Merthyr Tidvill, against any to make such a motion; but he begged to

alteration in the laws relative to the Payment of Wages;

presented by Sir CHARLES MORGAN.--From the Iron-Masremind the noble Duke, that this was by

ters of Merthyr Tidvill, and from the Tradesmen of Bedno means the first petition which had been welty; by Sir CHRISTOPHER COLE.--From the Tradesmen presented on the subject, so that it could in Dudley ; by Sir THOMAS WINNINGTON; all complain

ing of great Distress. hardly be new to the Government. The Petitions against the renewal of the East India Company's noble Duke called himself (as no doubt he Charter, from the inhabitants of Pontefract; by Mr.

HOULDSWORTH:- from Darlington, and Stockton-uponwas) a friend to the Shipping Interests ;

Tees; by Lord WILLIAN POWLETT:—from Bury; by but he declined to take any means for in- Lord STANLEY:- from the Corporations of Perth and creasing the freights of the Ship-owners. Dumbarton; by Mr. A. CAMPBELL. Petition, praying for

the repeal of the Duty on Hops, from Ewhurst, Burwash, He would give notice of his motion on a

and Etchingham; by Mr. Bernal Petition, praying for future day.

the repeal of the Malt Duty, from the Hundred of TaverThe Duke of Wellington said, he had ham (Norfolk); by Mr. WODEHOUSE. Petitions, com

plaining of Distress from the inhabitants of the Hundred of not declined to do any thing that would

Hoxne; by Sir EDWARD KERRISON. From the Shipassist the Shipping Interest. All he had owners of Scarborough ; by Mr. William DUNCOMEE. said was, that he could not adopt means

From the inhabitants of Cripplegate Without; by Mr.

ALDERMAN Wood. From the inhabitants of the county of to benefit them, by raising their freights, Flint and Holywell; by Sir EDWARD LORD,

towns in Ireland:

been returned:

Returns were presented of the number of Inquests held by

on the score of morality, the duties on Commissioners of Wide Strects in Dublin, and the sums

Tobacco ought to be lowered ; nor did he paid to the Jurors:-Of the amount of First Fruits received during the last ten years:- Of the memorial of Francis think that the interests of the State would M‘Bryan and others to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, re- suffer by such a measure. If the duty lative to the Sub-Sheriff of Fermanagh:- Ofthe number of causes set down in the Court of Session of Scotland, for the

which was 3s. per pound were reduced to first time, in each year since 1811, and of other matters re- 1s. 6d. he was persuaded that the conlating to this Court. Returns were ordered, on the Motion of Mr. Bernal, of all sumption of Tobacco would increase in proSums of Money voted by the House of Assembly in the portion, and the revenue receive no injury. island of Jamaica, in 1825, 1826, and 1827, describing in As the right hon. Gentleman, the Chanwhat manner it was appropriated :--Of the number of the cellor of the Exchequer, was to bring King's troops in that island in those years:--On the Motion of Mr. Warburton, of the number of the Cominissioners forward his financial plan for the year of Bankrupts in London, distinguishing whether they are that night, he hoped that a large reduction Barristers or not, and whether they hold any office.

of the duties on Tobacco would be in

cluded in that plan. TANJORE AND CARNATIC COMMISSIONS.] A Bill to continue the Tanjore

DISTRESS IN SCOTLAND-TAXATION.] Commission for a limited time having Mr. John Campbell presented a Petition been read a second time, and a Motion

from the noblemen, freeholders, &c. of made to commit it,

Dumbartonshire, complaining of Distress, Mr. Hume inquired whether the Bill and praying for Relief by reduction of Taxwould cost the country any additional

ation. The hon. Member said, that expense, and whether it was to be expected though he did not admit the country to that the affairs into which these Commis- be in that state of distress which some sions were instituted to inquire, would

hon. Members thought, and in this he ever be arranged. In particular he wished agreed with the petitioners, yet it unto observe, that the Carnatic Commis- doubtedly was suffering to a considerable sioners had sat during two or three gene-extent. He would not inquire into the causes rations, and it was high time that their of that distress, but much of it he thought inquiries, unless the Commission were to

was to be attributed to the alteration in be eternal, should be brought to a close, the currency. He did not wish to have

Mr. Astell, in reply, stated, the Bill another alteration, but if Parliament were would cause no additional



to institute an inquiry, it would at least was only to enable the Tanjore Com- learn to what extent its own measures had missioners to examine witnesses on oath, caused the evils, and it might find some and continue that Commission for a fur- means of alleviating them. This was the ther period. He could inform the hon. view of the petitioners, who also expressed Member, that the Carnatic Commissioners their confidence in the Government. Mihad presented their last report, and that nisters had already evinced a disposition the whole business of that Commission to afford relief: and he had every hope was about to be brought to a close,

that the statement which they were about

to hear from the right hon. Gentleman SMUGGLING TOBACCO.) Mr. H. Davis, (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) would in presenting a Petition from persons deal- prove that still more effectual measures of ing in Tobacco in Bristol, praying for the relief were in contemplation. reduction of the duties on Tobacco, ob- Mr. Cutlar Fergusson said, that though served that he could not avoid expressing the distress in Scotland was not as great his surprise, that these duties should have as that in England, yet there was great been suffered to continue so long. The suffering amongst the agricultural classes of great magnitude, for which the revenue he spoke chiefly of the county of Kircudderived from them was no compensation. bright, -that people could not get the The illicit trade carried on in Tobacco price for them which they themselves was endrmous. No vigilance could guard gave last year, and he believed the same against the temptation afforded by a duty might be said of other counties. The that in amount was nine times the value result was, that the farmers could not pay of the article. Tobacco formed the bulk their rents except out of their capital, and of every illicit caryo. Smuggling was the distress of the lower classes, though almost as bad as stealing, to which it fre- they had hitherto done pretty well, were quently led, and therefore, if it were only now suffering extremely. The only remedy to which the people now looked was a re- priety to the reasonable expectations of duction of taxation, and he hoped it would the people at large, holding us bound, as be largely administered that evening. they do, to lay before Parliament as soon

Sir G. Murray was surprised and sorry and as distinctly as possible, the course to hear such a statement as that of the which we deem it right and expedient to hon. Gentleman. He could state, how- pursue. In the present depressed state ever, that in other counties a different state of the country, and when great anxiety is of things existed, and that in the county manifested by all classes respecting the which he had the honour to represent measures which his Majesty's Government (Perthshire) no such distress was known. intend to propose to Parliament, it is He had received an account that day from right that the House of Commons should, one of the greatest landed proprietors in as early as possible, be made acquainted that county, who stated that his rents with the views and intentions of the rewere never more regularly paid than at sponsible advisers of the Crown. This, present. From what he had heard, he I say, becomes doubly necessary at a time should be disposed to form a different of such general anxiety, which, on the one opinion from that just expressed by the hand, fills people with exaggerated exhon. Member for Kircudbright. pectations of the measures which Par

Sir G. Warrender said, that he could liament is likely to adopt, and of the state as a landed proprietor of that county means of relief which it is capable of to which the gallant officer had alluded, affording; and on the other, calls forth so that he could not get a farthing of rent, much unwillingness to give credit to the and he believed other counties in Scotland Government for feeling that sympathy were in no better situation, though the which it ought and does feel towards the rents had been reduced forty per cent suffering portion of society. It therefore since 1814.

becomes highly desirable that the measures Mr. W. Dundas denied altogether that to be submitted to Parliament should be Scotland was in the distress which the known immediately, in order to prove, if hon. Member described. If wages had possible, how little ground there is, in jusfallen, so had the price of the necessaries tice and in truth, either for those exaggerof life—if the prices of cattle had fallen, ated expectations on the one hand, or that it was a relief to the farmer that wages unreasonable distrust which is to be found had fallen also, and that rents had been on the other. When last I had the honour lowered. From what he knew of Scot. of making a similar statement to the land he could not concur in the opinion House to that I am now about to lay that the agriculturists and the labourers before it, I adverted to what was then were suffering in any extreme degree. said on the subject of depression, and I

Mr. E. Davenport said, it was a proof ventured to express a hope that the emof the distress of the country when a Mi- barrassment of that period would not prove nister of the Crown made a boast of one of long continuance. It is perfectly true, landholder in Perth receiving his rents. Sir, that my expectations on that point The Petition to lie on the Table. have not been realised. Different circum

stances have occurred during the past year FINANCES Of The Country.] The to protract the duration of those diffiChancellor of the Exchequer having moved culties, and to increase the pressure upon that the House resolve itself into a Com- the people somewhat beyond that which I mittee to consider the several Acts relating had anticipated. In thus merely touching, to the Excise, and the Speaker having ac- as I do, upon this topic, I have no intencordingly left the Chair, the right hon. tion of entering into a discussion of the Gentleman proceeded to address the Com-circiemstances which have aggravated the mittee as follows :-) avail myself of the difficulties we had to contend against, or opportunity afforded on the present oc- of the causes which excite the present casion, of bringing thus early before the anxiety of the people, for I am anxious to House the views of his Majesty's Govern- disembarrass my statement of anything ment respecting the financial concerns of which could add to its length or interfere the country, and I do so, not more in with its simplicity; and I am the more deference to the wishes expressed by this disposed to put this restraint upon myHouse, than in compliance with my own self, as a day has been fixed for discussing sense of what is due in justice and in pro- I at large the state of the country. I shall, certainly, Sir, by following this method, that I should now repeat. Having made best consult my own convenience; but these allowances, I expressed my belief that I should not regard, were I not per- that the revenue of the year 1829 would suaded that I am, at the same time, at amount to 51,340,0001. It

appears, howtending to the feelings and the wishes of ever, as by reference to papers now on the the House, by abstaining from any notice Table of the House, hon. Members may of that part of the public affairs which the have the means of ascertaining—that the Motion I have just alluded to will bring actual produce of the Revenue of that distinctly under the consideration of Par- year has fallen short of the sum I anticiliament. When I put that subject aside, pated by an amount somewhere about however, I wish, on the part of myself 560,0001. Here I wish previouly to oband my colleagues, to state, whico I do, serve, that though the defalcation

appears in order to prevent any misunderstanding to be of that amount, it is in reality conor misrepresentation, that I put it aside - siderably short of it, in consequence of an not because we feel no sympathy or com- appropriation of a part of the Revenue misseration with that part of the people of different from the appropriation intended this country now enduring distress-far to have been made and given in my statefrom it,-I shall, before I sit down, give ment. Thus, from the sale of the City the best evidence that it is in the power Canal a sum of 130,0001. was realized, of any man to give, that we have exerted, which was not applied as Revenue acand continue to exert, our best endeavours cording to my former announcement, but to alleviate, as far as we possibly can, the was carried forward to the repayment of difficulties of the country, but because, as advances made by the Bank.

In reality, I have just said, the Motion to be brought that sum has been made available to forward by the hon. Member for Shrews- the service of the country, but it does not bury will afford a far more convenient appear under the head of Revenue. This opportunity for discussing it. In admit- would bring the real defalcation to someting the existence of difficulties, however, where about 430,0001. When the House I again wish to guard against being mis- comes to consider the peculiar circumunderstood. Whatever difficulties we stances of the country during the past have to contend against, I think there is year, and when hon. Members bear in no cause for despondency or permanent mind the harvest, including all the disadalarm-no ground to entertain appre- vantages of the last season, thy will not hensions for the stability or the resources be surprised that defalcations have arisen, of the country. I shall now, Sir, without they will not blame his Majesty's Governfurther preface, enter into the question ment for what was so evidently beyond more immediately before me; but can their power, they will not censure me for not do so without, in the first instance, making an extravagant statement, which calling the attention of the House to the facts did not subsequently justify. Upon revenue and expenditure of the year an examination of the financial papers, it which has just passed away. In doing will be seen that this defalcation arose this, I am anxious at the outset to justify principally in an article over which the the statement I formerly made to Parlia- harvest necessarily produced a very conment, and to show the House, from a siderable effect. I estimated, last year, consideration of the Revenue of the past that the duty on the Malt, would, as comyear, the more especially when those pared with the year before, be deficient causes are taken into the account which 600,0001.; but the deficiency turned out to be prevented the realization of all that 1 as much as 800,0001. Then the falling-off anticipated, that there are some grounds in the Beer duty amounted to 200,0001., for viewing, even with satisfaction, the making together 1,000,0002.; from which, present resources of the country. It will be if the estimated defalcation of 600,0001. in the recollection of hon. Gentlemen that be deducted, we shall have a balance of in estimating the Revenue of 1829, I took 400,0001. that being nearly the extent to that Revenue at considerably less than the which my expectations were not realized. Revenue of the preceding year. A large Thus do I trust that I have succeeded in allowance was made for the probable de- making out that one disappointment has falcations then anticipated, from causes arisen from causes which no man could which, at that time, I stated to the House, have foreseen, and over which no Governand which it therefore is not necessary I ment could have exercised any control, Let it not be supposed that in stating examination of the last year and of th these deficiencies, I mean to say there are present, compared with the preceding one no others, though they are nearly balanced that the amount received on account of by an unexpected increase, but I wish the the duty on corn fluctuated between the House to be aware that the deficiency is Excise and the Customs in proportion as nearly accounted for by the failure of Re- the harvest of the year in this country venue in articles affected by the harvest. had been abundant, or the contrary; I will not conceal from the House that therefore, although this year the scanty there are other defalcations, but they do harvest has operated as a means of innot arise from causes which imply a dimi-crease to the Customs, should the harvest nished consumption. There is one arti- next year be abundant the increase will cle, at least, upon which reduced revenue be in the Excise. This being the case, implies nothing of diminished consump- though I have thought it right to state the tion-on tea there has been a defalcation amount of the increase on the corn-duty this of 130,0001., but so far from that proving year, it will be seen that I do not intend a diminished consumption, the fact is, to place any particular reliance upon it. that the consumption has increased. The But if (setting this on one side) we look House must be aware that the duty on tea at what, in the course of the last year, has is an ad valorem duty; and this article been effected by the produce of the Revehaving been sold, as is well known, at very nue, I think we shall see in it sufficient reduced prices during the last year, has circumstances to afford matter of consolacaused this deficiency in the amount of tion, if not of congratulation. On an exthe duty on tea. Comparing the produce amination of these circumstances, it will of the duty at its lowered sale with the appear, that during that period, there has produce of the duty in the year before, we been applied to the purpose of reducing find that the consumption of tea has not the Debt no less a sum than a surplus of fallen off. On other articles of the Ex- Revenue to the amount of 2,400,0001.; cise there are also deficiencies, but not to nor is that, be it understood, an imaginary a considerable amount, making the whole surplus, but a surplus actually and really deficiency (as compared with the preceding applicable to the reduction of the Debt, year) about 1,300,0001. With reference to after making every payment for the year ihe Customs, on which I ventured last to which the country was justly liable. I year to lay a sort of calculation before the advert to this circumstance more particuHouse, I am happy to say that I have not larly, because this being the first year been disappointed; and the deficiency of since Parliament came to the determinathe Excise has been in some degree com- tion to devote to the payment of the Debt pensated by an unexpected augmentation only the surplus revenue, I am anxious to in the amount received from the Customs. call its attention to the result of that deThe Estimate for this branch of the Reve- termination; and also because it affords nue, which I laid last year before the me an opportunity of calling the attention House, amounted to 17,000,0001., while I of the House to some other measures am happy to be able to state that the ac- which received its sanction in the course tualamount received has been 17,200,0001., of the Session before the last. This which surplus we have a right to set House, Sir, in the year 1828, gave its against the defalcation in the Excise. sanction to a measure which had for its Thus the actual deficiency of the year's object the conversion of permanent annui. revenue, as compared with the Revenue ties into annuities terminating with the of 1828, was 1,100,0001. With respect lives of the holders. When I proposed to the Customs, however, I feel it to be this measure to the House, I did it more but fair and right to state to the House in anticipation of its proving convenient to that a considerable proportion of the Reve- the public, than in the expectation of its nue in the present year (and to which the extinguishing any very large portion of the increase I have just mentioned is mainly national burthens; but, in this latter point to be attributed) is owing to the large of view, I am happy to say, that I someaugmentation under the head of duties re- what miscalculated, for I find by referring ceived upon foreign corn; and I state to certain papers now lying on the table, this the rather, because it is not my inten- that while the surplus revenue has paid off tion, in future statements, to make any al- 2,400,0001. permanent annuities to the lowance for this variation. I find, on an extent of 2,700,0001, have been con

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