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157 Country Bank Notes. {MARCH 11} Duties on Conveyances, 8c. 158 those which regarded the negotiations with from the Parish of St. Pancras, against the the Brazils, and he did trust that the Vestry Act, took an opportunity to answer House would support his Motion to this a question put to him by his noble friend extent.

(Viscount Goderich) on a former evening, Strangers were then ordered to with- with respect to a return of Country Bankdraw, and a division took place. The notes, stamped within a certain period. numbers were - For the Motion 73: On inquiry, he found that he was right in Against it 150:--Majority against the supposing, as he did, when he answered Motion 77.

his noble friend's question at first, that
List of the Minority.
the amount of Scotch notes

was in.

cluded in the account on both sides. He
Bankes, Henry Macdonald, Sir James had ascertained that it would be quite
Beaumont, T. W. Macqueen, Potter
Bentinck, Lord G. Maberly, J.

impossible to distinguish between the Bernal, Ralph

Morpeth, Viscount stamps issued for England and Scotland, Blake, Sir F.

Norton, G.C. except as regarded those for 11. notes,
Burdett, Sir F. Nugent, Lord

which were all Scotch. The account in-
Canning, Sir Stratford O'Connell, Daniel cluded the notes of the chartered banks.
Carter, John B. Ord, William
Calthorpe, Fred. Peech, N. W.

Cave, R. Otway Pendarvis, E.W.W.
Cavendish, Henry

Philips, Sir George
Cavendish, Wm.
Philips, Geo. R.

The Earl of Malmesbury wished to obtain
Chichester, Arthur Phillimore, Joseph

returns of the proceeds of two different
Davenport, E. Price, Robert, descriptions of Stamp-duties, in one of
Duncombe, hon. W. Protheroe, E. which, he, as a land-owner, felt a par-
Denison, J. E.
Rice, T. S.

ticular interest; and the other of which Dundas, hon. Thomas Robinson, Sir II. included the interests of many classes of Ebrington, Viscount Rumbold, E. C.

the community. As the day was approachEllis, hop. Geo. Agar Russell Lord John Ellis, hon. Augustus Sibihorp, Col.

ing, on which it was intended to submit Encombe, Viscount Smith, W.

to the other House of Parliament the usual
Ewart, W.
Stanley, E. G. S.

annual financial statement, he thought he
Fazakerly, John N. Tennyson, Chas. could not do better than advert to the sub-
Fyler, Thomas B.
Thomson, C. P.

ject at that moment. He alluded to the Graham, Sir J. Townshend, Lord C.

Stamp-duties upon Conveyances of LifeGrant, rt, hon. C.

Vyvyan, Sir R. Grant, R. Uxbridge, Earl of

hold property, and he wished to call their Heneage, G. F. Warrender, Sir G.

Lordships' attention, for a short time, Hobhouse, J. Cam Wetherell, Sir C.

to the subject. In some of the western Howick, Viscount Whitmore, W.W.

counties in which he possessed landed Honywood, W.P. Wood, c.

property, it was usual for cottagers to llorton, rt. hon, R.W.

hold their cottages on lives; and the cusHuskisson, rt. hon. W.

tom was a good one, as it encouraged the Inglis, Sir Robert Palmerston, Lord

breeding up (if he might use the expression) Jephson, Chas. D.O. Sandon, Lord Knight, Robert

of a respectable class of cottagers. When Labouchere, Ilenry PAIRED OFF.

these individuals had children, they naLamb, hon. George Hume, Joseph

turally desired to put their children's lives Lambert, Jas. S. Ingilby, Sir W.A.

in their leases as well as their own; and Lennard, Barrett Gordon, R.

the usual fine for adding one life to two Littleton, Edw. J. Wilson, Sir R. others in such case was (according to his

own experience, and he believed, it was HOUSE OF LORDS.

the same in the case of other parties) 51.

But this was not all; the tenant who paid
Thursday, March 11.

his landlord 51. on account of this transMISUFER.] Returns were laid on the Table, of the quan, action, had to pay to Government a duty

Kingdom, since July 15th, 1828 ; and of the weekly aver- of 11. 155. on the conveyance, and 11. 105.
age price of Corn, since the same period. Several Petitions
were presented, complaining of Agricultural Distress; of 31. 55. stamp-duty, payable on a trans-

on the counter-part, thus, making a sum
praying that the East-India Company's Charter might
not be renewed, and that Suttees might be put a stop to.

action of which the amount between land

lord and tenant was only 5l. The existCOUNTRY BANK NOTES.) The Duke ence of this duty opposed a great obstacle of Wellington, in presenting a Petition to such transactions. The landlord might


say to his tenant, “pay me the fine by in- , would be much greater security for prostalments : I know you cannot afford to perty than at present. He might here pay it at once, and I will take it as you observe, with reference to the first part of can spare it;” but the stamp duty must his statement, that the duty on convey.. be paid upon the nail. The consequence ances of cottages was

about 75 per of a duty so disproportionate in amount cent on the amount generally demanded to the value of the transaction, was to pre- by landlords for the introduction of a new vent conveyances being made in many life into a lease. The duty upon conveycases in which they would otherwise be ances of property, in fee simple, below tħe effected. He was desirous of knowing the value of 1501. a-year, was also very buractual amount of revenue produced to the thensome. The noble Earl concluded by Exchequer by this tax. He hoped that there moving for “ A return of the amount of would appear reason for reducing this Stamp-duties paid upon Conveyances of duty ? He would have it lowered (if not Lifehold property, under the annual value entirely remitted) to ls. or 2s. 6d. on each of 51.* Also for a return of the amount conveyance. Again, if he had five acres, of Stamp-duties paid on Conveyances of which he wished to dispose of in fee, say property in Fee, under the value of 1501.for a sum of 1491., the stamp duty was -Ordered. 11.10s. He wished to ascertain the produce

* (The cottages in question seldom or never also of that duty. There were few things exceeded the value of 40s., but he fixed 51. in from which land suffered more than from order to save trouble, and facilitate the making law transactions, as at present conducted.

out of the account.) The law, or rather taxation, weighed most heavily upon it. He hoped to see these State Of TIE COUNTRY. Relaonerous and unjust imposts considerably TIONS WITII PORTUGAL. TURKEY.] lowered, or altogether done away with in Lord Holland said, since he came into the the forthcoming financial arrangements. House, he had received a request from his There was another point affecting landed noble friend (the Duke of Richmond), property, which was also well deserving whose Motion for a Committee to inquire attention ;-he alluded to the duty on into the State of the Country, more parpolicies of fire insurance. He would take ticularly as regarded the employment of the case of common insurances. He, or the labouring classes, originally stood for any other man, might not be wealthy that day, but which had been put off in enough to risk the chance of a fire upon consequence of circumstances which must his farm and was accordingly compelled to be to their Lordships a source of great insure his dwelling, farm, buildings, stock, regret, to give notice that his noble friend &c. In 1815, the expense of a policy of com- would submit his motion to their Lordships mon insurance was 2s. per cent, and the on that day week. Accordingly, he would duty was 2s. 6d. (125 per cent on the in- do so, and would move that the House be surance); but it was raised between 1815 summoned for that day.-Ordered. The and 1824 to 3s. (150 per cent on the in- noble Baron proceeded to say, that, seeing surance). Policies were now done at some noble Lords, members of his Ma1s. 6d., the duty still continuing 3s. ; so jesty's Government, in their places, he that the amount of the duty was actually wished to put two or threc questions to double the charge of the offices which them concerning the relations subsisting undertook to guarantee people's property between this country and Portugal. He from loss by fire.

What was the con- was the rather disposed to do so, as in the sequence ? Men of large property, who several communications made to Parliacould afford to run the risk, did not ment, from time to time, respecting those insure at all. They said, “ Here are per- relations, there seemed still to remain sons willing to insure us for a sum upon (notwithstanding all that had been said which a duty of 200 per cent is added by on the subject) a considerable degree the Government. We shan't pay

of ambiguity. In order that noble Lords will take our chance.' He was satisfied should fully understand the questions, that if this tax upon fire-insurances were it might, perhaps, be necessary for him reduced considerably, the Treasury would to refer to the communications with be fully repaid, and all deficit prevented which the House had been favoured by an increase in the number and amount on the subject. On the 28th of July, of policies, at the same time that there ' 1828, Parliament was informed, in the Speech from the Throne at the close of I have a little more light thrown upon

it: we


this the Session, that“his Majesty relies upon subject. One of the circumstances to the wisdom of the august Sovereign the which he alluded involved a communihead of the House of Braganza, to take cation, which, although it might not be the course which shall be best calculated strictly regular to introduce and argue upon to maintain the interests and honour of in their Lordships' llouse, must, neverthethat illustrious family, and to secure the less, be considered as having been made peace and happiness of the country over to Europe at large--he meant the late which he reigns.” At the opening of the Speech of the King of France to the Session of 1829, Parliament was informed, French Chambers. In that Speech he in the Speech delivered by the Lords Com- found that the King of France informed missioners, that “his Majesty laments the Chambers as follows on the subject of that his diplomatic relations with Portugal Portugal:-"I pursue at this moment, in are still necessarily suspended;" and that, concert with my allies, negotiations, the

deeply interested in the prosperity of object of which is, to bring about a reconthe Portuguese monarchy, his Majesty ciliation necessary for the repose of the has entered into negotiations with the head Peninsula between the Princes of the of the House of Braganza, in the hope of House of Braganza." This was someterminating a state of affairs which is in- what different from the language held in compatible with the permanent tranquillity the Speech delivered in that House at the and welfare of Portugal.” Further, at the commencement of the Session, -- but this conclusion of the Session of 1829, it was by the way: he proceeded to the quesstated by the Lords Commissioners, that tions which he had to propose to the “it is with increased regret that his Ma- noble Lord. His first question was this-jesty again adverts to the condition of the Had the negotiation originally established Portuguese monarchy, but his Majesty between this country and the Emperor commands us to repeat his determination Don Pedro, in the year 1829, or the close to use every effort to reconcile conflicting of 1828, come to a conclusion; and if so, interests, and to remove the evils which had it failed, or not? In the next place, press so heavily upon a country, the pros- he wished to know, with respect to the perity of which must ever be an object of negotiation mentioned by the King of his Majesty's solicitude.” Notwithstanding France in his late Speech to the Chambers, these repeated assurances Parliament was a negotiation undertaken “in concert told at the commencement of the present with his allies,” and pursued with similar Session, that“his Majesty laments that he views to our own in our negotiation, and, is unable to announce to you the prospect it might be, for some ulterior purposes,of a reconciliation between the Princes of were we parties to this second negotithe House of Braganza;” that “his Majesty ation ? and did we become parties to it has not yet deemed it expedient to re- with France in a secondary and subestablish upon their ancient footing, his servient point of view, having failed in Majesty's diplomatic relations with the the negotiation which we undertook as kingdom of Portugal; but the numerous principals. His third question regarded embarrassments arising from the con- what was, perhaps, an equally irregular tinued interruption of these relations source of information, and an equally increase his Majesty's desire to effect irregular ground of remark. However, he the termination of só serious an evil.” should proceed with his inquiry founded From these communications their Lord-upon such grounds. It was generally underships might collect that a negotiation stood by the public, that some of his Mawas established between this country and jesty's Ministers had elsewhere alluded, the Emperor Don Pedro, with the hope of as a reason for refusing certain papers reconciling the conflicting interests of the connected with the subject of our relations different branches of the House of Bra- with Portugal, to the circumstance of ganza; and the conclusion was, that our negotiations upon that subject being achopes and endeavours had been disap- tually pending, and to the possibility of pointed-in fact, that the negotiation had such negotiations being prejudiced by the failed. But since the delivery of the royal production of the papers required. He Speech at the commencement of ihe wished to now whether the negotiations Session, some other circumstances had stated to be pending, and urged as constioccurred which rendered it desirable to tuting a bar io the information demanded, VOL. XXIII.


were negotiations which we were pursuing of the word, could be said to have existed in concert with, and under, France, with on that occasion at Rio de Janeiro, as Lord Portugal and Spain, or direct negotiations, Strangford, our ambassador, was referred undertaken upon our part

with the govern- to London as the seat of negotiation. It ment de facto of Portugal, with a view of was naturally enough considered inconarranging its recognition, and re-estab- venient to carry on negotiations on both lishing our diplomatic relations with that sides of the Atlantic at the same time, and government, as hinted at in the Speech upon the same subject. In point of fact, from the Throne at the commencement of the negotiation which failed was carried the Session ? So much upon the subject of on in London, and not at the Brazils. Portugal: but, since he was upon his | As to the negotiation of France, that was legs, he might as well mention, that there quite a different transaction,-it was one was an apparent discrepancy between the in which we certainly acted in concert French King's Speech and that recently with France, but by no means in a secondelivered by the Lords Commissioners in dary or subservient character. Indeed, that House with respect to the mode of strictly speaking, it could hardly be called alluding to the termination of the war a negotiation. A communication had between Russia and Turkey. It was been made by us, in concert with France, stated in the Speech of the King of with a view to accomplish the end adverted France.-“War has been extinguished to in the French King's Speech-the rein the East: the moderation of the con- pose of the Peninsula. As to “ ulterior queror, and the amicable intervention of purposes,” his Majesty's Ministers neither the Powers, by preserving the Ottoman knew of them nor were parties to them. empire from the evils which threatened Lord Holland wished to know concernit, have maintained the equilibrium, anding the “pending negotiations ?" confirmed the ancient relations of states." The Earl of Aberdeen.-It could hardly He understood from the Speech of the be considered as a negotiation--a comLords Commissioners that our Govern munication had been made by us, in conment felt satisfaction at the peace between cert with France and our allies, to Don Russia and Turkey, but he did not under- Pedro--the subject was yet pending : it stand that that peace had been brought was impossible to say more on the point. about by the intervention of his Britannic With respect to the subject of the declarMajesty. The words of our Speech were, ation supposed to have been made by "His Majesty has seen with satisfaction that some members of the Government to the the war between Russia and the Ottoman effect that, in consequence of pending nePorte has been brought to a conclusion.” gotiations, certain papers could not be Certainly these words did not bear out laid before Parliament, he must observe the notion of this country having been one that, assuming this statement to have been of the powers to whose amicable interven- made, nothing could be more true than tion the preservation of the Ottoman empire, that while negotiations were pending, it and of the balance of Europe, was brought must be impossible to produce papers reabout. We wished to learn whether there lating to such negotiations; and when had been an accidental omission in the the time came for producing them, probroyal Speech of a statement of the fact of ably the noble Lord would see very good intervention on our part, or whether we reasons why they were at the present were to understand that Great Britain had moment withheld. This he said in referlooked on indifferently upon the progressence to the general principle of not disof the quarrel between Russia and Turkey, closing prematurely the subject of negoand did France interfere to preserve the tiations which were in progress; but he Ottoman empire, and maintain the balance did not know that any such declaration as of Europe without us?

the noble Lord appeared to imagine had, The Earl of Aberdeen replied, that the in fact, ever been made in reference to the negotiation to which the noble Lord al- present proceedings. What he understood luded, as having being entered into by us was, that the papers in question had been with Don Pedro, in the summer of 1828, refused on the ground that their production was considered to be brought to such a might be injurious to a numerous class of close as deprived us of all prospect of a persons about whom every one felt natursuccessful result with respect to it. In ally interested. He thought it was more fact, no negotiation, in the proper sense l with the view of avoiding the possibility of

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running this risk, than in reference to pre- The Earl of Aberdeen said, the noble sent negotiations (which were only thrown Lord did not appear fully to understand in as an additional argument), that the him, and had rather misinterpreted what documents had been refused. They were he had said. The present negotiation, or not produced lest they should prove inju- communication, could hardly be considered rious to the prospects of those in whom as an entirely separate and new one, bethe noble Lord was himself deeply inter-cause it had the same object in view as ested. With respect to that paragraph in the original negotiation. What he wished the speech of the King of France which the noble Lord to understand was, that our referred to “the amicable intervention of original negotiation with the Emperor Don the powers" for the preservation of the Pedro had arrived at such a state that there Ottoman empire and the balance of Europe, was little prospect of its successful issue, he could assure the noble Lord that our The present negotiation, which we had unintervention was most unceasing in the dertaken in concert with France, was in course of the contest, and went to urge, continuation of the previous one which we in the strongest mannner, upon both par- had conducted by ourselves, and could ties, the necessity of adopting conciliating hardly be considered a separate negotiaviews, while we endeavoured all in our tion, although undertaken in direct conpower to forward negotiations of peace cert with France and our other allies. It between them. What effect our remon- was true that before, although acting with strances might have had he could not pre- a perfect feeling of unanimity and concert tend to say: he hoped it would appear, if with other powers, we acted by ourselves, their Lordships looked at the termination and that now we were acting in direct conof the contest, that neither party had neg. cert with our allies, still it was for the lected them. He must, however, admit attainment of the same object as we orithat the Turks had long continued obsti- ginally had in view. nately determined to proceed in their own Lord Holland said, he was to understand, way, and that they appeared to yield at then, that France was no party to the nelength to the urgency of their situation gotiation originally, and that she was a rather than to the urgency of our remon- party to the present negotiation. Ile strances or to any thing else.

would ask, was Spain a party to this negoLord Holland said, he was not prepared tiation? The noble Earl talked of our at that moment with any notice of motion having undertaken the negotiation in conon the subject of our proceedings in re- cert with our other allies. He therefore ference to Portugal. However, he wished wished to ask whether Spain was a party? to make one or two observations upon what The Earl of Aberdeen replied, that the had fallen from the noble Lord." In an- Court of Spain was no party to the negoswer to the first question proposed to him, tiation. He might also as well observe, the noble Earl stated, that the negotiation that the Court of Austria was a party, entered into between this country and the and that throughout the whole of the nehead of the House of Braganza, took place, gotiations France had full cognizance of not at Rio de Janeiro, but at London. all that had been done by us from the very He did not care which way it might be, first, although she had not, until recently, but as to the fact that “ His Majesty has acted prominently in the matter, and in entered into negotiations with the head of direct concert with this country. the House of Braganza, in the hope of terminating a state of affairs which is incom. MARRIAGES' VALIDATING Act.] The patible with the permanent tranquillity House went into a Committee on this Bill, and welfare of Portugal,” as stated in the on the Motion of the Bishop of London. Speech from the Throne, at the commence- Lord Holland wished to return his thanks ment of the Session of 1829, his wish had to the reverend Prelate who had introbeen, to ask the noble Earl whether he con- duced the Bill, the principles and enactsidered those negotiations as completed ments of which, generally speaking, met and concluded; and he understood the with his warm approbation.

It was very noble Earl to say, that they were con- disadvantageous, very galling; particularly cluded, and that another negotiation, un- where property was concerned, to leave dertaken by us in conjunction with, but the authority uncertain by which marriages not under, France, was to be considered a could be rendered valid. He believed that separate and new negotiation.

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