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daily business and company, that I could not easily get out to him. A few days after, however, Lord Mahon called on me, and told me Lord Chatham was very desirous of seeing me; when I promised to be with him the Friday following, several engagements preventing my going sooner. On Friday the 27th, I took a post-chaise about 9 o'clock, and got to Hayes about 11; but my attention being engaged in reading a new pamphlet, the post-boy drove me a mile or two beyond the gate. His lordship being out on an airing in his chariot, had met me before I reached Hayes, unobserved by me, turned and followed me, and not finding me there, concluded, as he had seen me reading, that I had passed by mistake, and sent a servant after me. He expressed great pleasure at my coming, and acquainted me in a long conversation with the outlines of his plan, parts of which he read to me. He said he had communicated it only to Lord Camden, whose advice he much relied on, particularly in the law part; and that he would, as soon as he could, get it transcribed, put it into my hands for my opinion and advice, but should show it to no other person before he presented it to the house; and he requested me to make no mention of it, otherwise parts might be misunderstood and blown upon beforehand, and others perhaps adopted and produced by ministers as their own. I promised the closest secrecy, and kept my word; not even men

tioning to any one that I had seen him. I dined with him, his family only present, and returned to town in the evening.

On the Sunday following, being the 29th, his lordship came to town, and called upon me in Craven Street. He brought with him his plan transcribed, in the form of an act of parliament, which he put into my hands, requesting me to consider it carefully, and communicate to him such remarks upon it as should occur to me. His reason for desiring to give me that trouble, was, as he was pleased to say, that he knew no man so thoroughly acquainted with the subject, or so capable of giving advice upon it; that he thought the errors of ministers in American affairs had been often owing to their not obtaining the best information: that therefore though he had considered the business thoroughly in all its parts, he was not so confident of his own judgment, but that he came to set it right by mine, as men set their watches by a regulator. He had not determined when he should produce it in the house of lords; but in the course of our conversation, considering the precarious situation of his health, and that if presenting it was delayed, some intelligence might arrive which would make it seem less seasonable, or in all parts not so proper; or the ministry might engage in different measures, and then say, if you had produced your plan sooner, we might have attended to it. He concluded to offer it

the Wednesday following; and therefore wished to see me upon it the preceding Tuesday, when he would again call upon me, unless I could conveniently come to Hayes. I chose the latter, in respect to his lordship, and because there was less likelihood of interruptions: and I promised to be with him early, that we might have more time. He staid with me near two hours, his equipage waiting at the door; and being there while people were coming from church, it was much taken notice of and talked of, as at that time was every little circumstance that men thought might possibly any way affect American affairs. Such a visit from so great a man, on so important a business, flattered not a little my vanity; and the honor of it gave me the more pleasure, as it happened on the very day twelve months that the ministry had taken so much pains to disgrace me before the privy council.'

I applied myself immediately to the reading and considering the plan, of which when it was afterwards published I sent you a copy, and therefore need not insert it here. I put down upon paper, as I went along, some short memorandums for my future discourse with him upon it, which follow, that you may, if you please, compare them with the plan; and if you do so, you will see their drift and purpose, which otherwise would take me much writing to explain.

1 See Appendix, No. 5.

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Tuesday, Jan. 31st, 1775.

"NOTES for discourse with Lord Chatham
on his Plan.

"Voluntary grants and forced taxes, not to be expected of the same people at the same time.

"Permanent revenue will be objected to: would not a temporary agreement be best, suppose for 100 years?

"Does the whole of the rights claimed in the petition of rights relate to England only?

"The American naturalization act gives all the rights of natural-born subjects to foreigners residing there seven years. Can it be supposed that the natives there have them not?

"If the king should raise armies in America, would Britain like their being brought hither? as the king might bring them when he pleased.

"An act of parliament requires the colonies to furnish sundry articles of provision and accommodation to troops quartered among them; this may be made very burthensome to colonies that are out of favor.

"If a permanent revenue, why not the same privileges in trade with Scotland?

"Should not the lands conquered by Britain and the colonies in conjunction, be given them (reserving a quit-rent) whence they might form funds to enable them to pay?

"Instructions about agents to be withdrawn.

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"Grants to be for three years, at the end of which a new congress-and so from three to three years. Congress to have the general defence of the frontiers, making and regulating new settlements. "Protection mutual.

"We go into all your wars.

Our settlements cost you nothing.

"Take the plan of union.

"Defence, extension and prosperity of―The late Canada act prevents their extension, and may check their prosperity.

"Laws should be secure as well as charters.

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Perhaps if the legislative power of parliament is owned in the colonies, they may make a law to forbid the meeting of any congress, &c."

I was at Hayes early on Tuesday, agreeably to my promise, when we entered into consideration of the plan; but though I staid near four hours, his lordship, in the manner of, I think, all eloquent persons, was so full and diffuse in supporting every particular I questioned, that there was not time to go through half my memorandums: he is not easily interrupted; and I had such pleasure in hearing him, that I found little inclination to interrupt him; therefore, considering that neither of us had much expectation that the plan would be adopted entirely as it stood; that in the course of its consideration, if it should be received, proper alterations might be introduced; that before it would be settled,

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