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that even the ordinary courtesy of printing a report, lookMr. HAYNE, from the select committee to which was ing to that object, was to be refused? He would draw no referred sundry memorials praying for a reduction of the other inference from such a course, but that it was to arrest duties on imported iron, and others remonstrating against the progress of truth, and prevent information from going the reduction, made a report in favor of reduction, and abroad on this subject among the people--a principle at moved that it be printeil.
war with our free representative Government, which Mr. DICKERSON said, the report was from the majo- should seek, on all proper occasions, to enlighten public rity of the committee; the sentiments of the minority opinion on questions so deeply involving their interests, were directly at variance with those of the majority. The rather than to suppress information; it was characteristic report bad come under his eye for the first time on yes of that course of policy which arbitrarily laid under terday, and he had not yet had time to prepare a report contribution the industry of the great mass of the Ameof the views of the minority. He should probably be rican people, for the benefit of a comparatively small able to do so on Monday. He thought the views of both number of capitalists. He expressed a hope that the parties should go to the world together, and he therefore report would be printed, and its arguments placed before hoped the printing would not be ordered until the coun- the people for their calm consideration. He said he had ter report was ready to go with the report of the majority great confidence in the justice and liberality of the Northof the committee. He moved to lay the report on the ern and Eastern sections of the country. Public opinion, table, but withdrew the motion at the request of in some of the Eastern States, he believed, was becoming
Mr. KING, who said the statement made by the Sena- adverse to a continuance of the restrictive policy; and he tor who had just taken his seat, was one of the most thought he could see a light arising in that direction, extraordinary he had ever heard. Committees were sel- which assured him that the days of this “system” were dom unanimous; it was generally the majority of the numbered. committee which reported measures for consideration. The spirit of liberty which had early distinguished the If the minority were not satisfied, they had always an people of that portion of our country, would not much opportunity to present their individual views. He be- longer tolerate a system which flourished alone by sacrilieved such a thing as a counter report had not been known ficing the interests of the many to those of the few. He in this body from the first coinmencement of the Govern- believed it was now becoming well understood, that an
It had been done, he believed, in the House of excessive degree of taxation was not protection but opRepresentatives. When the report was made to the pression. House, the committee ceased to exist, and it was not in Mr. HOLMES said he was disposed to hear both sides the power of the minority to make a report.
of this question, and, therefore, he was in favor of allowMr. DICKERSON ught that the views of the two ing both reports, as they took different views of the subbranches of the committee should be published together. ject, to go out together. The gentleman from New It was a frequent custom in the House of Representatives, Jersey (Mr. DICEKRSON) says he will be prepared on and should be so here. The minority should bave as Monday to submit the views of the minority; and, for his good an opportunity to present their views as the majority own part, he should prefer to see them go together. He of the committee.
could then be in favor of printing a larger number of Mr. HAYNE said this was the first proposition he had copies. This had not, perhaps, been the usual practice ever heard in that body to prevent the printing of a re- of the Senate, but it certainly had been of the other port of a committee. The honorable chairman of the House. He instanced particularly the report of the Committee on Manufactures (Mr. DICKERSON] had made Committee on the Seminole War. his reports, year afier year, and no objection had ever Mr. BELL said, the object of appointing committees been made to the printing of them. The report con- was, to digest the subjects referred to them, and obtain tained nothing more than the views of the committee, their views in aid of the action of the Senate. In this and the only object was to have it printed. The objec- instance, the committee had not only disagreed in relation tion of the gentleman was, that he had not had time to to facts, but widely disagreed in their opinions deduced prepare his views on the subject, and, therefore, the re- from those facts. The minority ask to give their views port of the committee must not be printed. How was it in conjunction with the majority. Without this, he conpossible for the honorable Senator to make a report on ceived that they could get but' a one-sided view of the the part of the minority, when the committee had made its matter. He asked who it was in the present case that report, and were consequently dissolved? If the gentle appeared to be anxious to shut out the light? It surely man wished to present his views, he could do it in writing was not the minority. They do not shrink from investior otherwise. He had understood that there was so much gation. They rather court it. At this late period in the work in the hands of the public printer, that, if he did session, it was evident that there could be no legislative not get this report now, it could not be printed during action upon it now. In relation to its being unparliamenthe session.
He hoped the gentleman would not renew tary, he thought all legislative bodies should be governed the motion to lay the report on the table.
in their rules by the eternal principles of justice. Mr. BROWN said, it appeared that an entirely new Mr. WEBSTER said it would give him pleasure to rule was about to be pursued by the Senate--one unpa- gratify the views of all in the disposal of this subject. He ralleled in the annals of legislation--that subjects were to was willing to give the people all the information on this be sent to committees totally hostile to the objects asked topic that could be given. 'He could freely trust them by the memorialists, and known to be thus hostile. And with the disposal of it. Though the report had not been when those who are friendly to a reduction of the existing read, it was plainly understood that it was opposed to the burdensome system of taxation, had been so fortunate as opinions heretofore entertained and expressed by the to get this subject referred to a committee favorable to Senate; and it was due to the people not to hold out to their views, and that committee had made a report to that them the expectation that the existing policy was about effect, a new rule was to be adopted, and that report sup- to be changed, unless that expectation was soon to be repressed. Sir, said Mr. B., political truths have nothing alized. The gentleman from North Carolina, (Mr. Browx,] to fear from the most scrutinizing investigation. Do gen- he conceired, had misapplied the rule he had adverted to. tlemen fear light upon their favorite schemes, that they There was no particular parliamentary usage which was would thus elude inquiry on this subject? Was this a binding in the case. When a legislative body had come tine when the people of this country had every reason to to a definite conclusion upon a subject—when its princidemand a reduction of an oppressive system of taxation, ples were settled, it could then have no hesitation in the
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direction to give it. But, suppose a proposition should ceedings any where. When a committee had examined come before them on which it would be quite impossible any subject submitted to them by the Senate, and had for them to act-a dissolution of the Union, for instance, made a report, the printing of such report for the inforcould the rule then apply?
mation of the members was altogether a matter of course. Mr. W. said he could have no motive in wishing to with. It is not even proposed to print any extra number of cobold the printing of this document; on the contrary, he pies for distribution, but simply to print the report for the would be willing to have a larger number printed; but he use of the members, as every bill, every report, and every thought it was due to all that both sides of the question resolution, is disposed of by the uniform practice of this should be heard. In relation to the report, he could en- House. Mr. H. said he had now been a member of the tertain no doubt, from the respectable character of the Senate for near eight years, and he had never known an committee, that it contained many able arguments and objection made to printing the report of any committee, clear views of the subject. He would go further. He on any subject; and he called upon every member of this had no doubt he would approve of it on many points. body to say whether they ever knew or heard of such There were some positions taken in the memorials refer- proceedings. The mere act of printing a report, comred, which met his hearty concurrence.
mitted the Senate in no way to an approval of any thing After some further observations,
it contained it was merely for information, and to enable Mr. W. moved that the report be printed, and referred the Senate to judge what course ought to be taken with to the Committee on Manufactures. This course would, regard to it. The Senate might agree or disagree the perhaps, meet the views of all.
report, or might, after examination, recommit it for fur. Mr. BROWN said he disagreed with the gentleman ther examination. But here they were called upon to from Massachusetts (Mr. WEBSTER] most widely in his take an important step, which, in parliamentary usage, views of parliamentary usage. He contended that it was amounted to a decision that the subject had not been fairly the practice to commit matters to a committee favorable to examined-without even making themselves acquainted the accomplishment of the propositions they contained. with the contents of the report. Mr. H. would present, Such was the doctrine of Jefferson, and such was the doc- in behalf of this committee, no claim to the respect or trine laid down by all the British writers on parliamentary consideration of the Senate, which was not due to every law. The reasoning was, that the lamb should not be sent committee which they might think proper to create. But to the wolf—that being to ensure its destruction. It did he could say that an act more unprecedented or extraornot, of course, apply to the case of bills peculiarly disre- dinary could not be conceived, than to raise a committee, spectful to the feelings of all, or in direct contravention refer to them an important question, and, when their reto the spirit of the constitution—such as the one referred port is received, without hearing it read, or having it to by the gentleman from Massachusetts, (Mr. WEBSTER] printed, to refer it back to another committee (and one proposing a dissolution of the Union—and he hoped these known to be hostile) for re-examination. Why was it, words were not used by that gentleman invidiously. he would ask, that such a course was to be pursued on the
Mr. WEBSTER. Not at all—I had no such intention present occasion? Because it was deemed necessary that
Mr. BROWN. For I will not yield in my attachment the views of those favorable to a reduction of duties to this Union, even to the honorable Senator from Massa- should not have the same opportunity of being known, chusetts.
that had invariably been extended to views of an oppoMr. TYLER addressed the Senate in opposition to the site character. For years past has the Committee on Mamotion of Mr. WEBSTER to refer the report to the Com- nufactures issued their annual reports, pointing out the mittee on Manufactures.
A report on the same subject excellencies of the American system, and deprecating any had been made by that committee at the last session. He reduction of duties whatever.' Only last year, a report thought that one must be very fond of scribbling, (though was made by the gentleman from New Jersey, (Mr. Dickhe did not doubt the purity of the gentleman's motives,) Ersos,] in reply to a memorial of these very Philadelphia to wish to make a report on the same subject every year. blacksmiths, denouncing them and their petition. These This report was merely a counter report to that submitted reports bad all been printed and circulated without objecby the honorable gentleman last year—a rejoinder. We tion. In no instance had the attempt been made to force have now, said Mr. T., our butter and our rebutter. The upon the Senate a counter report, or to send out an anhonorable chairman, he contended, could attain bis object swer along with the report. We have waited until we simply by ordering his last year's report to be printed with could have a chance of presenting our views of this questhis, and let them go to the world together. He presumed tion. For the first time in several years, this has been that no alteration had been made in the gentleman's now afforded us; and yet gentlemen rise up, and refuse views upon the subject within the last year.
us the poor privilege even of being heard. The CommitMr. DICKERSON replied. He was sure the delay till tee on 'Manufactures, and the gentleman from New Jer Monday was an inconsiderable one; but he was willing the sey, who is at their head, have been heard-repeatedly, question should first be taken on the motion of Mr. Web- fully, and patiently heard. They were heard last year ster to refer it to the Committee on Manufactures. on this very question—the reduction of the duty on iron.
Mr. HAYNE then rose, and said, that he now distinctly We now claim to be heard in reply, and it is to be refused understood that the proposition in its present form is, to us. Gentlemen refuse even to listen to what we have to recommit the report of the select committee before it had say. After they have heard us, let them, if they choose, been either read or printed--before any member of this recommit our report or disagree to it, or dispose of it as House (except the committee) are even acquainted with they think proper. But to condemn it unheard, to comits contents; and to do this when it is known that the effect mit it without knowing its contents, he must consider as of the recommitment will be to prevent the printing of the most exceptionable proceeding that he had ever witthe report during the present session. But this is not all; nessed here or elsewhere. In another view of this ques. it is proposed to commit a report (of the contents of tion, it was still more objectionable. The subject of the which nothing is known, but that it is favorable to a re- reduction of duties was one which had deeply excited a duction of the duty on iron) to the Committee on Manu- large portion of this Union. Are we to be told, said Mr. factures—a committee known to be opposed to such a H., that we are not to be heard? This is a subject, Mr; reduction. Such a motion, made under such circumstan- President, in which I am afraid to trust my feelings. I ces, he would undertake to say, was not only without an came here, sir, with very slender hopes, indeed, I can example in the history of either branch of Congress, but hardly say that I had any, that this system would receive without a parallel in the history of parliamentary pro- some modification from Congress. i am sorry to say that
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General Appropriation Bill.
I have so far perceived no indications of any disposition/ments furnish convincing proof that the present is the here to relieve the people from the burdens of this protect- most extravagant administration that has ever wielded the ing system. For this, I was, however, prepared; but, I destinies of the nation. He called the attention of the will confess, sir, I was not prepared for a deliberate refu- Senate to the documents in proof of his assertion, and presal, on the part of the Senate, even to print a report pre- sented a statement taken from the printed reports from senting our views to find them condemned, unheard, and the departments, from which he gave the comparative unknown, by an instant recommitment of the report to expenditures between the two last years of Mr. Adams's the Committee on Manufactures—a committee known to administration, and the two first of General Jackson's. be hostile to them, where the report must remain buried Appropriations in 1827,
$11,315,568 95 for the remainder of the session. If this must be so, I
12,326,482 59 claim a solemn decision on so important a question, and, therefore, ask that it may be taken by yeas and nays.
$23,642,051 54 They were ordered. Mr, WEBSTER said he was very sorry to see that this In the year 1829,
$11,766,524 65 subject should excite any warmth in the gentleman from Do. 1830,
14,844,090 69 South Carolina, (Mr. Harne.] He disclaimed the motives attributed to him. He denied any intention to pre Total in the two first years of General vent the sentiments of the committee from being heard. Jackson's economical administration, $26,610,615 34 Had he not said he would vote for any number of copies the gentleman might propose? What grievance, then, Making an excess of expenditure in was there in the course proposed? The gentleman had two years, above the expense in Mr. already remarked that the business before the public Adams's administration, of
$2,968,563 80 printer was so pressing, that, unless it was delivered immediately, it could not be performed. It was objected to And of this excess, nearly half in the referring the report without reading. It was with a view civil list to save the time of the Senate, that this course was pro Civil list, 1827,
$1,718,837 04 posed. After some further remarks, Mr. W. concluded,
1,737,887 35 by saying he should still vote for the printing, and reference of the report to the Committee on Manufactures.
$3,456,724 39 Mr. KING, and Mr. SMITH, of Maryland, next addressed the Senate against the motion, and the question Civil list, 1829, $2,387,302 53 was then taken on the printing alone, and decided in the
1830, 2,352,461 81 affirmative by a unanimous vote.
$4,739,764 34 Mr. HAYNE asked, as a matter of justice to the select committee, that a censure might not be cast upon them Making an excess in the civil list alone in sending their report to another committee. The course during the two first years of General proposed was unprecedented.
$1,283,039 95 Mr. HOLMES said he should vote for the reference, and could not see in what manner it would be a censure The amount of appropriations contained on any body.
in the bill for the support of GovernMr. FOOT said such a course was altogether unprece ment for 1831, now under considedented.
ration, as passed by the House of ReMr. WEBSTER then said that his object had been to presentatives,
$2,050,779 64 accommodate all sides; but as he had failed in so doing, Proposed amendments by the Comto save the time of the Senate, he moved to lay the whole mittee of Finance of the Senate, 121,000 00 subject on the table. The question on this motion being taken by yeas and Making in the whole,
$2,171,779 64 nays, it was decided in the affirmative-23 to 20.
[So the report was laid on the table, and the decision This extraordinary increase of expenditure speaks a of this motion in the affirmative had the effect to prevent language not to be misunderstood. If any Senator doubts the printing. It is understood that the views of the com- the fact, let him examine the printed documents, and he mittee are in favor of a reduction of the duty on iron im- will find the statement corect--the statement before him
was taken from those documents. GENERAL APPROPRIATION BILL.
Do you ask, how can these things be? It is easily ac
counted for by the increased expense in every departThe Senate again resumed, as in Committee of the ment--by establishing new bureaus-by creating new Whole, the bill making appropriations for the support of offices--by increasing salaries and contingent expenses-Government for the year 1831—the question being on by increasing the number of clerks--and by every other agreeing to the amendment of the Comniittee of Finance, possible means for rewarding political partisans.' Fiftyas yesterday amended.
two additional pages in the Blue Book, of names of offiMr. FOOT rose to make a few general remarks on cers, will give some evidence of an increase in the numthe increasing expenditures of the Government. ber--the recalling of four ministers, and some chargés
Mr. F. said, we are indeed fallen on evil times. The ap- d'affaires, will account for about $80,000 increased explication of the "searching operation,"mentioned by Gene- pense during the first year of this economical administratal Jackson in his inaugural address, has become indispensation--the office of Solicitor of the Treasury, created at ble to save the treasury from bankruptcy. The siren song the last session to perform a part of the duties of the of retrenchment, economy, and reform, has lost its fasci - Fifth Auditor, as agent for the treasury, has called for an nating charms. Broad and bold assertions will no longer extra appropriation of near $10,000. be received as proof of economy, while the public docu Sir, said Mr. F., we need the aid and faithful services ments prove them to be false; the people will no longer be of another “radical committee,” as the select commitee deceived by these hackneyed terms, nor can the present of 1820 has been called by the chairman of the Committee administration be screened from censure by charging their of Finance, which he himself has acknowledged
saved three predecessors with“ wasteful extravagance, when the docu- millions of dollars to the treasury, to arrest the progress
Death of Mr. Noble.
[FEB. 28, 1831.
of the Government in its downward road to bankruptcy during the recess of the Senate, and without their advice and ruin.
and consent, as commissioners to negotiate a treaty with The amendment was then agreed to.
the Ottoman Porte." Various other amendments were made, and the bill The amendments were then ordered to be engrossed, having been got through in Committee of the whole, and the bill to be read a third time; and then the bill and amendments were reported to the Senate; and The Senate adjourned.
The amendment adopted on the motion of Mr. WEBSten coming up, Mr. SMITH, of Maryland, moved to
MONDAY, FEBRUARY 28. strike out from the salary of a drogoman, $500; which was negatived.
DEATH OF MR. NOBLE. Mr. HAYNE moved to strike out the provision for a On the Senate being called to orderstudent of languages; which was determined in the affir Mr. HENDRICKS rose, and said, it becomes, Mr. Presimative-yeas 29, nays 13.
dent, my painful duty to announce to the Senate the death The question was then put on the amendment of Mr. of my respected colleague. He departed this life on WEBSTER, as amended, and determined in the affirmative, Saturday evening last, at ten o'clock. His services in this as follows:
body bave been faithful and uninterrupted for the last YEAS.--Messrs. Barnard, Barton, Bell, Benton, Brown, fifteen years. They have been honorable to himself, and Burnet, Chamber's, Chase, Clayton, Dudley, Ellis, For- useful to his country; but man goeth to his long home, syth, Frelinghuysen, Grundy, Hayne, Hendricks, Holmes, and with him these services have terminated in the meriIredell, Johnston, Kane, King, Knight, Livingston, dian of life. He had indeed lived to see his early assoMarks, Naudain, Poindexter, Robbins, Robinson, Sanford, ciates in the business of this House retire to other spheres Seymour, Silsbee, Smith, of Maryland, Smith, of South of life, or, like himself, pass silently into the grave; yet his Carolina, Sprague, Tazewell, Troup, Tyler, Webster, friends might reasonably have hoped and expected for him Woodbury.-39.
a longer period of usefulness and distinction. On an ocNAYS.--Messrs. Bibb, Foot, McKinley, Ruggles.--4. currence like the present, and especially standing, as I do,
Mr. BIBB moved to strike out the proviso, yesterday in the midst of a circle so intimately acquainted with the adopted on the motion of Mr. TYLER; but gave way for
deceased, it will not be expected of me to pronounce his Mr. KING, who moved to strike out all
after the word eulogy; but I can speak, and I may be permitted to speak “Provided," and insert a proviso more general in its na- in the language of early and well-tried personal friendship ture, referring not only to the present and past administra- of one highly prized, not only by myself, but by the State tion, but to all former administrations.
he has so long had the honor to represent, of an individual After some conversation between Messrs. WOODBURY, idolized by almost every circle in which he ever moved. WEBSTER, and HOLMER,
He was a bold and fearless politician, warm and generous Mr. WEBSTER called for a division of the question, so in his feelings. He had a heart that responded to every as first to determine on striking out.
advance of sympathy and benevolence; a heart formed for The question was negatived--yeas 19, nays 23. the most ardent attachments. Open and undisguised, the
Mr. KING now renewed a motion he had before made, prominent traits of his character were always before the to strike out from the proviso the words " by the Presi- world; but a long period of familiar acquaintance could dent alone,” and “a treaty;" but the motion was declared only develop the ardor, the devotion, and the value of not to be in order, the Senate having just determined that his friendship. For such an associate, it may well be perit would not strike out any part after the word “Pro- mitted us to mourn, and well assured am I, that, in paying vided."
these last honors to his memory, we are but giving ex. Mr. BIBB now renewed the motion to strike out the pression to the feelings of every member of the Senate. whole of the proviso, which, after an explanation by Mr. His society I have enjoyed when he was in health. Tyler, of his object in offering it, disclaming any inten- sickness I have frequently been near him, and endeavored tion of giving it a particular application to the President, to soothe his hours of anguish and distress; and I had an was determined in the negative, as follows:.
opportunity of watching with intense anxiety, and great YEAS.-Messrs. Benton, Bibb, Brown, Chase, Dudley, solicitude, the last moments of his life. Forsyth, Grundy, Kane, King, Livingston, McKinley, Mr. BURNET then submitted the following resolution; Robbins, Robinson, Smith, of Maryland, Smith, of South which was agreed to: Carolina, Troup, Woodbury.--17.
Resolved, unanimously, That a committee be appointed NAYS.-Messi's. Barnard, Barton, Bell, Burnet, Cham- to take order for superintending the funeral of the Hon. bers, Clayton, Ellis, Foot, Frelinghuysen, Hayne, Hen- JAMES Noble, deceased, which will take place at half past dricks, Holmes, Iredell, Johnston, Knight, Marks, Naudain, eleven o'clock this day, and that the Senate will attend Poindexter, Ruggles, Seymour, Silsbee, Sprague, Taze- the same; and that notice of this event be given to the well, Tyler, Webster.-25.
House of Representatives. Mr. Kane's amendment was amended, by striking out The CHAIR stated that, under the circumstances of the the words "in addition to,” and inserting the words, in case, upon being yesterday informed of the death of the aid of, and thus amended was agreed to.
late Senator from Indiana, he had appointed a Committee So the sixth amendment was agreed to as follows: of Arrangement, and pall bearers; and hoped the course
“ For the outfit and salary of a chargé d'affaires and a he had pursued would not be disapproved of. drogoman at Constantinople, and for the contingent ex Mr. BURNET then submitted the following resolutions; penses of the legation, $36,500: that is to say, for the out- which were adopted: fit of a chargé d'affaires, $4,500; for the salary of the same, Resolved, unanimously, That the members of the Sen$4,500; for the salary of a drogoman, $2,500; for the con- ate, from a sincere desire of showing every mark of re. tingent expenses of the legation, $25,000.
spect due to the memory of the Hon. JAMES Noble, de.) “For compensation to the persons heretofore employed ceased, their late associate, will go into mourning for him in our intercourse with the Sublime Porte, the further for one month, by the usual mode of wearing crape round sum of $15,000, in aid of the sum of $25,000, appro- the left arm. priated for the contingent expenses of foreign intercourse: Resolved, unanimously, That, as an additional mark of Provided, always, That nothing in this act contained shall respect for the memory of the Hon. James Noble, the be construed as sanctioning, or in any way approving, the Senate do now adjourn. appointment of these persons by the President alone, [The body of the deceased was then brought into the
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chamber of the Senate, and placed in front of the Secre- gether unprecedented, and out of the regular mode tary's desk. Soon after which, the House of Represen- adopted with every report of a committee, he [Mr. tatives, preceded by their Speaker and Clerk, together HAYNE] might not have thought of standing on his right. with their Sergeant-at-Arms, entered the charnber, and As it was, he conceived he had an equal right, if this were immediately followed by the President of the United practice of allowing individual members of a committee States, the Heads of Departments, and the Judges of the to print their arguments against a report were tolerated, Supreme Court, who respectively took the seats prepared to expect his rejoinder to that argument to be printed-for them. The Chaplain to the Senate (the Rev. Mr. and if the gentleman chose to reply to that, he [Mr. H.] Johns) then rose, and delivered an eloquent and very woukl be prepared with a replication to that argument, impressive address, which was followed by a fervent and thus go on and ask for all to be printed for the use of prayer by the Rev. Mr. Gurley, the Chaplain to the the Senate. House. A procession was then formed, and proceeded Mr. DICKERSON replied that his sole object was to to the Eastern Branch burial ground, where the remains present the views of the minority of the committee on of the deceased were solemnly interred.]
the subject. But he only presented it as the views of At half past one o'clock the Senate again assembled. himself and another in their individual capacity, and as
Mr. WEBSTER said, that, supposing the chairman of individuals they had a right to ask for those views to be the Committee on Manufactures was prepared to make the printed. It was a right which they in common with counter report, (of which he liad spoken on Saturday,) he others possessed; and was it not the case that the views of would move to take up the report of the select committee individuals respecting the subjects of memorials even on the subject of a reduction of the duties on iron, with were frequently printed? He would have no objection to a view to ordering it to be printed.
the gentleman's rejoinder being printed, provided he Mr. HAYNE withdrew the motion which was made by was informed what it would be; but, before deciding, it Mr. WEDSTER on Saturday, and accepted by him, for its would be but proper to know something respecting it. reference to the Committee on wlanufactures; and so the Mr. SMITH, of Maryland, said, if this practice were printing was ordered.
sanctioned, it would put an end to all their former rules of Mr. DICKERSON then presented a paper, which he proceeding; it was unparliamentary and quite unprecestated to be the views of the minority of the select com- dented. It would now appear that we were to have a mittee; but the CHAIR declared that it could not be receiv- counter report--an answer to that, and thus he did not ed as such.
know where it was to have an end. The subject apMr. D. then presented it as an individual Senator. peared to lead to debate; there were many bills from the Mr. HAYNE called for the reading of the paper.
other House which it was necessary to take up without Mr. GRUNDY moved to lay the whole subject on the loss time, and he would therefore move that the paper table, with a view to give an opportunity to order the be laid on the table. general appropriation bill, as amended, to a third reading. Mr. HOLMES said, for his part he would have no ob
On this motion the yeas and nays were ordered, and it jection to the plan which the gentleman from South was decided in the negative--15 to 20.
Carolina (Mr. HAYNE] had laid out for himself to pursue, The question then being on receiving the paper, a if he [Mr. H.) were allowed also to adopt it, and to short debate arose between Messrs. KING, DICKERSON, write during the recess, while time might hang heavy on and Harne; which was arrested by a motion of Mr. Foor his hands, a further replication to the gentleman's replito lay it on the table; which motion prevailed.
cation, and this too to be printed at the public expense. On motion of Mr. WEBSTER, it was ordered, that He had also, he confessed, like the honorable Senator, a when the Senate take a recess to-day, it shall be till six penchant for making an occasional speech, and for seeing o'clock P. M.
himself in print now and again; and he hoped, if this new
system were to be adopted, that the privilege which he The Senate met again at six o'clock, and continued in laid claim to, would also be extended to him. session till eleven. A great number of bills was passed, but
Mr. CLAYTON suggested that the Senator from New í nothing of material importance was transacted.
Jersey [Mr. DICKERSON ] might better accomplish his pur
pose, if the Committee on Manufactures, of which he was Tuesday, March 1.
chairman, were to report on the same subject.
Mr. DICKERSON explained, and insisted on his right, DUTIES ON IRON.
from former precedents, that his paper, which exhibited Mr. DICKERSON moved that the Senate now proceed a view of two individuals who had formed a minority of to consider the paper yesterday submitted by him as the the committee, should be received; and said, if it were not views of the minority of the select committee on the intended to carry the matter ad infinitum, the Senate could subject of reducing the duties on iron.
say where it was to stop. Mr. HAYNE said he would be glad to know what After some further remarks from Mr. Hayne and Mr. Course should be adopted respecting it when taken up-Kirc, the question was taken on Mr. Smith's motion to if it were intended to have it printed as an argument lay on the table, when it was negatived by a vote of 19 against the report of the select committee which he had to 12. presented, he wished to know if the gentleman would Mr. HAYNE then moved, as an amendment to the have any objection to his having an answer to that argu- original motion for the receiving of Mr. DICKERSON'S ment in like manner printed. The report of the commit- report, which was still pending, that the views of the tee-of the majority of the committee, had already been majority of the committee in replication to that paper be ordered to be printed, and the document of the gentleman also printed. from New Jersey, (Mr. DICKERSON,] which exhibited the The question on this last amendment being first taken, views of the minority of that committee, could not now it was agreed to, and Mr. Hayne handed in the replicago with it unless an extra number of copies of the original tion accordingly. report were ordered to be printed. To this he would Mr. WEBSTER said, that, in regard to a report from a have no objection, provided his answer or rejoinder to minority of a committee, although, strictly speaking, there that argument went along with it. If the printing of the could be no such thing, as a committee was a regular original report for the use of the Senate had not in the appointed body and constituted a whole, still, although it first place been refused--a course which had been well might be irregular for the minority to report as such, in a said by the Senator from Alabama (Mr. King] was alto- case like the present, he thought they were entitled to