that desire would be carried into effect. | Bill? He had a Motion with regard to Under these circumstances, he trusted the Military Expenditure in South Africa, that after the discussion which had taken which he intended to bring on in conplace the Committee would pass the nection with this Bill. Vote, and that then they should report Progress. MR. WHITWELL inquired whether any resolution had been come to with regard to limiting the numbers of the Volunteers? COLONEL STANLEY said, that, as regarded the increase of numbers, they did not at present intend to exceed the number which the Committee put as the maximum. If the Force continued to increase in the same ratio as it had done for the last five years, it would increase yearly, at a cost to the country at something like the expense of a battalion of Infantry. Whereas, in 1873-4, the Force cost £414,000, the expenditure on account of it now amounted to £512,000. He did not object to the increased expenditure; but, at the same time, he could not help saying that there was a point at which an expenditure of this kind ought to be very carefully considered. There was another point which he ought to mention. At the present time, an establishment of Volunteer corps contained a number of supernumeraries. It was a custom that where a certain number of these had been got together an application should be made for forming them into an extra company or battery. It was proposed in the future to deal with applications of that kind at a certain period of the year; in that way it was proposed to grant the applications in respect of the better corps, and to refuse them in the case of less good corps. Question put, and agreed to. Resolution to be reported To-morrow, at Two of the clock. Committee to sit again upon Wednesday. CUSTOMS AND INLAND REVENUE THE CHANCELLOR OF THE EXCHEQUER said, that if it was intended, on the third reading of this Bill, to raise a question on the Expenditure in South Africa, the third reading must be fixed at some future day; but when he could not at that moment say. Bill, as amended, considered. Bill to be read the third time Tomorrow, at Two of the clock. INDIAN MARINE BILL.-[BILL 182.] (Mr. Edward Stanhope, Mr. John G. Talbot.) SECOND READING. [ADJOURNED DEBATE.] Order read, for resuming Adjourned Debate on Question [19th May], "That the Bill be now read a second time." Question again proposed. Debate resumed. MR. ONSLOW objected to the Bill being read a second time, inasmuch as he had asked the Under Secretary of State for India whether a Committee could not be appointed to consider the expenditure upon the Indian Marine? The Marine expenditure was increasing very much in India, and money was not only spent upon it, but also upon the Royal Navy. He thought that the expenditure upon the Indian Marine and upon the Royal Navy performing duty in Indian waters should be considered before this Bill was passed. If his hon. Friend could give an assurance that there was not to be a double expenditure in respect to the Navy in India, and that an Indian Marine was required to do the same duties that the Royal Navy was now paid for performing, he should have no objection to the Bill passing. But, as the matter at present stood, this Bill seriously affected the finances of India. MR. E. STANHOPE said, that this (Mr. Raikes, Mr Chancellor of the Exchequer, Sir Bill raised no question of finance at all. Henry Selwin-Ibbetson.) CONSIDERATION. Order for Consideration, as amended, read. MR. RYLANDS inquired when it was intended to take the third reading of the Colonel Stanley The Bill was only for the purpose of enabling discipline to be enforced upon such part of the Indian Marine as it was found necessary to employ in addition to the Royal Navy. He would propose an Amendment to strike some words from the Preamble of the Bill, which he (No. 2) BILL.-[BILL 188.] (Colonel Kingscote, Sir Joseph Bailey, Mr. Stafford Howard.) thought would meet the objections which | SALMON FISHERY LAW AMENDMENT his hon. Friend had made. He should be very glad for inquiry to be made into this matter; and he thought it might be shown that not a single farthing of expense in India was incurred by this Bill. Question put, and agreed to. Bill read a second time, and committed for To-morrow, at Two of the clock. INCLOSURE PROVISIONAL ORDER (MALTBY LANDS) BILL.─[BILL 31.] (Sir Matthew Ridley, Mr. Assheton Cross.) SECOND READING. Order for Second Reading read. MR. MUNDELLA asked his right hon. Friend the Home Secretary to consent to the discharge of this Order. The right hon. Gentleman had agreed that if the matter were not passed before that time he would discharge the Order in respect of it; and he now trusted the right hon. Gentleman would do so. They had now arrived at a point at which the Bill should be left to the Standing Orders. A Select Committee had made a special Report with respect to this Bill, which made it impossible for it to pass that Session; and he hoped that the right hon. Gentleman the Home Secretary would now consent to allow the Order for the second reading to be discharged. MR. ASSHETON CROSS regretted extremely that, owing to a Notice being placed on the Paper, the Bill was then prevented from being proceeded with by reason of the operation of the 12 o'clock Rule. The parties in the matter had gone to a great deal of expense, and yet had not had an opportunity of bring ing their views before the House. If the Amendment had not been put upon the Paper they would have been enabled to state their case; and he had no doubt! that a decision would have been come to, either for or against their view. This was the last day, apparently, on which the Bill could be taken, so as to comply with the Standing Orders of the other House; but he knew of one case where a Bill not so far advanced was taken. In the absence of his Colleague, he did not think that he could permit the Order in this matter to be discharged. SECOND READING. Order for Second Reading read. Motion made, and Question proposed, "That the Bill be now read a second time."-(Colonel Kingscote.) COLONEL KINGSCOTE said, that this was a very simple Bill, and was founded upon the Report of the Government Inspectors, made in 1877. It embodied the views of those officials in respect of doing away with a close time weekly, and extending it to an equivalent period in May and December. It only related to tidal waters-in fact, was local fisheries in the Severn being only affected. He might state that most of the proprietors of the upper waters were in favour of it. Motion agreed to. Bill read a second time, and committed for Thursday. MOTION. CONVICT "THEODORIDI." MR. CALLAN moved, "That an humble Address be presented to Her Majesty, that She will be graciously pleased to give directions that there be laid before this House, Copies of any Memorial presented by or on behalf of the Convict Theodoridi :' "Of any Correspondence with respect to Theodoridi,' or Memorandum of any representations made on behalf of the Convict: "And, of usual form, printed or lithographed, sent to the Judge who tried any convict on sented or representation made for his opinion." whose behalf any memorial may have been preIn making the Motion, he might say that it was as much for the convenience of the right hon. Gentleman the Home Secretary as for his own that he moved for these Returns. Motion made, and Question proposed, "That an humble Address be presented to Her Majesty, that She will be graciously pleased House, Copies of any Memorial presented by or to give directions that there be laid before this on behalf of the Convict Theodoridi :' "Of any Correspondence with respect to Theodoridi,' or Memorandum of any representations made on behalf of the Convict: "And, of usual form, printed or lithographed, sent to the Judge who tried any convict on whose behalf any memorial may have been presented or representation made for his opinion." Second Reading deferred till Thursday.—(Mr. Callan.) MR. ISAAC objected to the pro- | never have assented to his release. He MR. MONK asked, whether he under- MR. CALLAN said, that he could see lish people, that was not sufficient rea- stated, that he should leave the country Motion, by leave, withdrawn. House adjourned at a quarter [INDEX. INDEX ΤΟ HANSARD'S PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES VOLUME CCXLVI. FOURTH VOLUME OF SESSION 1879. EXPLANATION OF THE ABBREVIATIONS. In Bills, Read 1o, 2o, 3o, or 1a, 2a, 3a, Read the First, Second, or Third Time.-In Speeches, When in this Index a is added to the Reading of a Bill, it indicates that no Debate took When in the Text or in the Index a Speech is marked thus, it indicates that the Speech When in the Index a † is prefixed to a Name or an Office (the Member having accepted or - - Some subjects of debate have been classified under the following "General Headings:' - - Execution of Prisoners of War, Questions, Mr. The Peace Negotiations, Observation, Viscount Afghanistan and Zululand-Number of Bri- Africa-South Africa LORDS- Natal and the Transvaal Appointment of Sir Garnet Wolseley as High The Zulu War The Latest Telegrams, Observation, Earl Africa-South Africa COMMONS- Papers and Despatches The Latest Telegram, Observation, Sir Michael Negotiations with the Boers- Sir Bartle Frere's Lord Chelmsford's Despatches, Question, Sir Further Papers, Questions, The Marquess of Sir Bartle Frere's Despatches, Question, Mr. [cont. Africa-South Africa-COMMONS-cont. Drafts from Regiments, Question, Mr. Otway; Re-inforcements from India, Question, Mr. The Zulu War The Fight at Rorke's Drift, Question, Mr. Expenses of Military Operations-Estimates of The Forces in Zululand, Questions, Mr. Alleged Cruelties of the British Troops, Ques. Instructions of Sir Garnet Wolseley, Question, Overtures of Peace, Question, Mr. Sullivan ; MISCELLANEOUS QUESTIONS Railways, Question, Colonel Beaumont; AG- [cont. |